New Hires in PHX
02-15-2014 | 12:15 PM
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Make sure you tell them the entire story Leo.
Four 757 Captain slots were awarded to mid 98 hires because of
re-instatement rights under the America West Pilot's contract. That provision will go away once their is a JCBA. The 13 Narrowbody Airbus Captain slots that were awarded without re-instatement rights went almost 100 numbers senior. Until December 9th, 2013, 757 paid the same as the Narrowbody Airbus. In the past, 757 Captain went as junior as Airbus Captain because it was the same pay rate. Crazy thing is, a senior reserve or line holding A330 F/O or AB320 Captain will make more than you as the bottom 757 Captain. On future PHX bids, 757 Captain will go much more senior. You will be on the bottom until you're displaced. You won't have weekends or holidays off anymore. But the good news is, you won't have to work as hard for the same amount of money. However you will be a slave to your phone and Crew Scheduling.
Four 757 Captain slots were awarded to mid 98 hires because of
re-instatement rights under the America West Pilot's contract. That provision will go away once their is a JCBA. The 13 Narrowbody Airbus Captain slots that were awarded without re-instatement rights went almost 100 numbers senior. Until December 9th, 2013, 757 paid the same as the Narrowbody Airbus. In the past, 757 Captain went as junior as Airbus Captain because it was the same pay rate. Crazy thing is, a senior reserve or line holding A330 F/O or AB320 Captain will make more than you as the bottom 757 Captain. On future PHX bids, 757 Captain will go much more senior. You will be on the bottom until you're displaced. You won't have weekends or holidays off anymore. But the good news is, you won't have to work as hard for the same amount of money. However you will be a slave to your phone and Crew Scheduling.
P.s. No bump no flush, toodles.
P.s.s Lots of guys junior to me 320 captains.
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02-15-2014 | 12:18 PM
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02-15-2014 | 12:31 PM
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02-15-2014 | 12:43 PM
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It's not a bad thing at all Leo. I'm happy for you. Seriously. I was simply pointing out that if it were not for re-instatement rights you would not have gotten that seat back. You would not even have been able to hold an A320 Captain seat on this bid. But I do agree, 14 A320 Captains junior to you is "lots", even if they got there via re-instatement rights too. Congrats.
02-15-2014 | 12:50 PM
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Kitch,
If you get the job and you want PHX, bid PHX. Just don't expect to move up very fast. There usually is only one PHX bid per year, so the few new hires announced for PHX will probably be the only ones this year. There is a slight possibility of another PHX bid at the end of the year. The East will have a Summer (June or July), Fall (Sept), and Winter (Nov or Dec) bid. Each one of those will probably add new pilots for attrition. New hires can currently hold widebody (767) slots on the East.
02-15-2014 | 12:53 PM
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It's not a bad thing at all Leo. I'm happy for you. Seriously. I was simply pointing out that if it were not for re-instatement rights you would not have gotten that seat back. You would not even have been able to hold an A320 Captain seat on this bid. But I do agree, 14 A320 Captains junior to you is "lots", even if they got there via re-instatement rights too. Congrats.
02-15-2014 | 01:39 PM
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Kitch, If you get the job and you want PHX, bid PHX. Just don't expect to move up very fast. There usually is only one PHX bid per year, so the few new hires announced for PHX will probably be the only ones this year. There is a slight possibility of another PHX bid at the end of the year. The East will have a Summer (June or July), Fall (Sept), and Winter (Nov or Dec) bid. Each one of those will probably add new pilots for attrition. New hires can currently hold widebody (767) slots on the East.
02-15-2014 | 03:11 PM
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Phx right now has 10 year reserves due to the east caused impasse. Advancement will definitely be quicker back east. Phoenix will be a very senior base for the new american anyways, better opportunities in the east coast.
02-15-2014 | 03:12 PM
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East coast will always be junior, better opportunities there.
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