EMBFlyer

The APA has an agreement in writing with USAPA and the Company.

It seems Vice President Roghair's concerns were worked out.

So other than stirring the pot, what was the point of that post?

Frisco727

Stirring the pot? I certainly have the right to my opinion that USAPA is an entity which refuses to abide by binding arbitration, agreements, wants to continue as a pseudo union after decertification.

If that's stirring the pot, I'll get a shovel and do more than simply stir the pot.

SewerPipeDvr

So how did I do on my predictions? I believe I said APA would become the BA. Correct there no vote. I said the DC lawsuit was a legal strategy (fancy term for bargaining chip or leverage). I heard they dropped it. Correct there. I said APA would not let USAPA on property. Wrong, but they are severely limited to MC work ONLY, so partial credit there. Lastly, I said APA would allow the West a seat. They did in a round about way. What APA really managed was to shift liability off of themselves from both East or West. Who are you going to sue if either side does not like the results? Not APA, they did not make the decision. I would not have thought USAPA would agree to that. I am sure it was under threat of APA giving the West a seat in MB after they became BA. APA has managed to keep the East/West fight off the property, as I noted they wanted (per several friends with direct knowledge). Right again. Not bad for someone who does not know anything about the law.
My predictions for what is coming up next. I don't think the West will get NIC. This is not for "punishing" the East. What the East did was legal. As was the West keeping the East on regional wages for years. I suspect the West will get a seat, especially in light of the recent DJ that the East filed IN STATE COURT. That is a flag this is to delay the West from getting that money to use for MB. It will get kicked for jurisdiction to Federal Court causing more delay. I suspect the West to file in Federal Court to block or freeze to keep the East from using that money. In my opinion, USAPA made a big mistake. As a part of the MOU, they should have insisted the only monies to be used for MB is the money provided by the company. APA is much bigger and RICHER. They can outspend USAPA or the West three to one. Money wins. Finally, MB outcome. Key is to study the RECENT work of the arbitrators. It will come down much like UAL/CAL. Call it 2/3s of APA will be happy. 1/4 of USAPA will be happy. The rest not so happy. Fences for APAs WB aircraft. I do NOT think the arbitrators will fence the West from USAir WBs. That will be the "little jab" to USAPA. I also think the company might make the APA happy by moving native AA metal onto your routes, and retiring/ selling off the small number of WBs you currently have. Course, I might be all wrong. Just have to wait and see.

Pilot X

I noticed phl 757 in the end of November flies to HNL.....do the west guys start flying Europe trips?

cactiboss

The east is allowed to fly 2 Hawaii round trios per day and the west is allowed to fly 2 europe round trips per day. The west has never flown a single one.

cactiboss

So they will "punish" the west then. Why? Withou Nic they punish west, without accountng for 2005 positions they punish west. Why are they going to punish the west for what the east pilots did?

Pilot X

I've never seen a Hawaii layover on the east before, I can't check west pairings so I was just asking so someone could look.

One east pairing starts on nov 28th and the other starts on nov 29th. Maybe it will be something new for December.

cactiboss

They did a couple of years ago, usually it has to do with west birds being down for heavy check. We are metal neutral now so i assume its for lack of crews west.

DCA A321 FO

Probably because you would end up in Greenland :-)

algflyr

But that flight was from CLT. I don't believe that counted. I think the language allowed 2 trips a day from PHX. I do believe we have done some flying from PHX, but it wasn't very much and as you suggested, it was probably due to West planes down for MX...