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12-30-2014 | 07:34 PM
#182
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Can someone explain the reason this negotiation is "cost neutral" and what does that actually mean? I have read the MTA and everything that has come out, but I am not sure why folks are saying this negotiation is cost neutral..
12-30-2014 | 08:12 PM
#183
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From: MD-11 FO
Because the MOU for the MTA was negotiated with a "cost neutral" backstop of arbitration. That's what was agreed to.
12-30-2014 | 08:19 PM
#184
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From: B737
The actual language states that the arbitrated result must adhere to the "economic terms" of the MTA...meaning, it cannot cost more (or less) than the original contract. Things can be changed, but what's taken from one area must be given elsewhere and vice versa. The company was pretty smart to put that in there. It essentially removes any risk to them in an arbitrated result.
12-30-2014 | 09:28 PM
#186
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Considering not much will change work rules-wise, I'm not sure what kind of doomsday scenarios you guys are expecting that will cause all the wailing and gnashing of teeth in six months.
We're not losing duty/trip rigs. We're not losing min calendar day because we never had it. We're not getting worse LTD than we already have. We're not getting worse insurance than the nAAtives already had. The reserve system won't change measurably. We'll gain some LOS for the furloughs that we wouldn't otherwise see...last I checked they are getting 0 years currently. I dunno.
We're not losing duty/trip rigs. We're not losing min calendar day because we never had it. We're not getting worse LTD than we already have. We're not getting worse insurance than the nAAtives already had. The reserve system won't change measurably. We'll gain some LOS for the furloughs that we wouldn't otherwise see...last I checked they are getting 0 years currently. I dunno.
12-30-2014 | 09:55 PM
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Considering not much will change work rules-wise, I'm not sure what kind of doomsday scenarios you guys are expecting that will cause all the wailing and gnashing of teeth in six months.
We're not losing duty/trip rigs. We're not losing min calendar day because we never had it. We're not getting worse LTD than we already have. We're not getting worse insurance than the nAAtives already had. The reserve system won't change measurably. We'll gain some LOS for the furloughs that we wouldn't otherwise see...last I checked they are getting 0 years currently. I dunno.
We're not losing duty/trip rigs. We're not losing min calendar day because we never had it. We're not getting worse LTD than we already have. We're not getting worse insurance than the nAAtives already had. The reserve system won't change measurably. We'll gain some LOS for the furloughs that we wouldn't otherwise see...last I checked they are getting 0 years currently. I dunno.
12-31-2014 | 03:52 AM
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12-31-2014 | 04:29 AM
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From: A320 Capt
Maybe, just maybe, this time when it's over we can constructively see what went wrong and join together for the next section 6, instead of just spending the next 4-5 years laying blame for the past. Yeah, I know, I'm laughing too.
12-31-2014 | 04:34 AM
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Everybody has their own list of priorities in a negotiation. My two biggest wants were a better rig and LTD improvements.
I wonder how many guys know that we had a better rig in the MOU, 1-3.25 for trips with a 24 hour layover as I recall, and that the APA gave it away for extra per diem. On my red eye centric January line that would have added 3.6 hours to my line, or about a 5% increase.
I wonder how many guys know that we had a better rig in the MOU, 1-3.25 for trips with a 24 hour layover as I recall, and that the APA gave it away for extra per diem. On my red eye centric January line that would have added 3.6 hours to my line, or about a 5% increase.
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