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Old 12-29-2014 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Just trust them
What Doug says and thinks is of no importance to me and it shouldn't be for any other pilot. I'm doing my job just the same now in a time of unconscionably huge profits as I did through 2 bankruptcies.

And I'm not thinking of profit sharing, although that's one way of sticking my hand in the pile.

I am thinking that for 2015 the company will make $450,000 pure profit per pilot. But current 'negotiations' are concessionary. That's just silly.
I agree, I was being facetious.
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Old 12-29-2014 | 11:53 AM
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Curious, does anyone know the PHL VP candidate (Wesley, I think) stance on the company proposal? If he supports it, then you PHL pilots need to vote for him.
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Old 12-29-2014 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
Curious, does anyone know the PHL VP candidate (Wesley, I think) stance on the company proposal? If he supports it, then you PHL pilots need to vote for him.
Or we can educate people on why it's bad to vote in concessionary work rules in this environment. It's not section 6, remember?
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Old 12-29-2014 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by teddyballgame

Relief on FAR 117 will result in not only more two-pilot trans-Atlantic trips, but possibly more two-pilot trans-Atlantic legs.

I understand that some carriers use "floating" IRO's; that is, an IRO is only assigned to legs that are actually scheduled for over eight hours. (For example, an eastbound leg from the US to the EU might only be scheduled for 7:40, while the westbound is scheduled for 8:20. Only that westbound leg would have an IRO assigned to it.)

Furthermore, I have also heard that some carriers actually DH IRO's on legs that don't require one as an active crewmember. How would you like to sit in the middle coach seat of a 757 for seven hours -- at half pay?
Could the company do these things? Sure, but none of it would make sense. Yes, they could DH the IRO on legs that don't require his services, but why would they? The green book requires TATL/TPAC DH to be in business class, and with 100% pay and credit. To DH a pilot to Europe so that he could IRO the return, the company would save no money, since it's paying all three pilots 100%, and they would have to assign the J seat that would have been used for rest to the DH pilot. In the current configuration, they would still get one extra J seat to sell in the 757/767, because those planes require 2 J seats for crew rest; however, both are being converted to configurations with single seats that would not require 2 seats to be blocked. If the cost is the same (or very similar), why would the company choose to DH the extra pilot one way, rather than take advantage of the extra FDP/block hour limits of an augmented crew in case of any potential delays?
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Old 12-29-2014 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
Curious, does anyone know the PHL VP candidate (Wesley, I think) stance on the company proposal? If he supports it, then you PHL pilots need to vote for him.
I suppose that includes those pilots against the companies proposal ?

Too funny.
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Old 12-30-2014 | 12:03 PM
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Total AAG offer: $1.8 billion above MTA/arbitration limits

Total AAG asks: $114 million

Net to APA: $1.686 billion

Ratio: AAG “gets” vs. APA “gets”: 1 to 17
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Old 12-30-2014 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
Or we can educate people on why it's bad to vote in concessionary work rules in this environment. It's not section 6, remember?
Exactly. You gave and gave and gave over the last 13 years. Your company is the most profitable they've ever been. They're testing you to see if you're going to give anything else. Why would you? This is the most important turning point in most of our careers. Make it count. Show them you're worth much more than they think your worth. They will continue to give you more and more things if you just show them you want it. This isn't 2004 or 2007. This is now 2015, oil is at $58 a barrel, and the company is making Billions.
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Old 12-30-2014 | 12:41 PM
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I heard if the proposal passes, we'll get a nice pay raise, but we'll have to work 24 days a month and have to stay in a Days Inn on every trip for at least 47 hours each time. Is this true? (Been reading C&R too much lately)
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Old 12-30-2014 | 12:45 PM
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Well one of the reasons the FAs voted no on their contact was the motel language. They were going to put them in motels. They probably want to go the same route with you, your quality of hotels has gone down significantly in the past few years.
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Old 12-30-2014 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
Well one of the reasons the FAs voted no on their contact was the motel language. They were going to put them in motels. They probably want to go the same route with you, your quality of hotels has gone down significantly in the past few years.
A person that would place himself and his family on a wholly-owned regional jet--- co-piloted by actual food stamp recepients shouldn't be above placing his mainline crews in M-6's.
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