Latest AA contract proposal
12-27-2014 | 02:29 AM
#131
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12-27-2014 | 04:57 AM
#132
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12-27-2014 | 06:07 AM
#134
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From: Pitot heat, what's to eat?
Min duty period 5:10 (average per trip) (improvement from 5:00). All other rigs untouched from current MTA.
APA wants this changed to 5:15 per DAY not duty period. This change would have a large positive effect mostly on red-eyes and similar trips that touch 3 days but only consist of 2 duty periods. Keep in mind the 1:3.5 trip rig does provide some backstop to grossly extending trips, since you get paid 6.86 hours for every 24 hours time away from base.
This and not moving the A321 to Group III are the two biggest "gripes" about the company proposal I'm hearing on the line.
APA wants this changed to 5:15 per DAY not duty period. This change would have a large positive effect mostly on red-eyes and similar trips that touch 3 days but only consist of 2 duty periods. Keep in mind the 1:3.5 trip rig does provide some backstop to grossly extending trips, since you get paid 6.86 hours for every 24 hours time away from base.
This and not moving the A321 to Group III are the two biggest "gripes" about the company proposal I'm hearing on the line.
12-27-2014 | 06:11 AM
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Just as the Company can't get what it wants in 'Arbitration'.
Give up the battered wife mindset.
This company is not in bankruptcy and is, in fact, making absolutely enormous profits. Enormous.
Almost $12,500,000 per day. That's over $500,000 profit per hour. Each hour of every day. And that's for the past year.
Next year profits are estimated to be almost $18,000,000 per day. That's about $750,000 per hour. Each hour of every day. Profit. Pure, money in the pocket profit.
This is not a time to be giving up things you already have in exchange for something you will be getting in the short-term anyway.
Give up the battered wife mindset.
This company is not in bankruptcy and is, in fact, making absolutely enormous profits. Enormous.
Almost $12,500,000 per day. That's over $500,000 profit per hour. Each hour of every day. And that's for the past year.
Next year profits are estimated to be almost $18,000,000 per day. That's about $750,000 per hour. Each hour of every day. Profit. Pure, money in the pocket profit.
This is not a time to be giving up things you already have in exchange for something you will be getting in the short-term anyway.
12-27-2014 | 06:17 AM
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I agree.. Who says we need to go to arb? Let's continue to talk with them. The bod has the ability to probably squeeze one more concession from them to really make this deal pass. It requires the membership to be patient and support the BOD/NC. It's worth the shot. My whole issue is the rushed timeline. I doubt we will even have the time to get valuations out to the membership in a timely fashion. Best thing the Bod could do is meet on the 3rd and tell co that they will get back to them later in the month.
With this fast timeline they company is getting the membership to feel rushed and lose sight of the big picture for fear of losing the money. Hence the flurry of "take the deal " now posts coming out of the woodworks. We are getting close to the end and need to just let our reps do their job.
Again I'm on a 3 day with a 30hr sit that pays 10.45... We have many of these at LAA
With this fast timeline they company is getting the membership to feel rushed and lose sight of the big picture for fear of losing the money. Hence the flurry of "take the deal " now posts coming out of the woodworks. We are getting close to the end and need to just let our reps do their job.
Again I'm on a 3 day with a 30hr sit that pays 10.45... We have many of these at LAA
12-27-2014 | 07:37 AM
#139
La Familia Delta
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From: B-717 FO / C-17 AC
Exactly Diesel! The company doesn't want arbitration. There are 15,000 pilots that they know they are walking a fine line with. You need to make them walk every bit of that line. They've made too much money of your hard work, you can't succumb to the mind games yet. This is not a take it or leave it situation. I say again, this is not a take it or leave it situation. This is negotiations by another name. You will get a couple more QOL improvements if you stand up for them.
12-27-2014 | 09:01 AM
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$750,000 profit per hour.
That will probably increase when the A321neo starts transatlantic operations. Because Group II pays less than Group III.
In 2015, in the 30 hours a pilot will stay by the highway in a bed-bug infested motel, say the Palos Verdes, earning nothing but per-diem, the largest airline in the world will generate $22,500,000 in profit. Not revenues, profit.
$22,500,000 in pure profit and a pilot gets per-diem only for 30hrs of a lifetime wasted. The per diem is tax-free, so there is that.
That will probably increase when the A321neo starts transatlantic operations. Because Group II pays less than Group III.
In 2015, in the 30 hours a pilot will stay by the highway in a bed-bug infested motel, say the Palos Verdes, earning nothing but per-diem, the largest airline in the world will generate $22,500,000 in profit. Not revenues, profit.
$22,500,000 in pure profit and a pilot gets per-diem only for 30hrs of a lifetime wasted. The per diem is tax-free, so there is that.
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