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#121
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They need seven industry standard concessions... he needs to buy them.. we need to sell them.. We get exactly what we require when we sell the concessions... nothing more...nothing less... WE NAME THE PRICE.. NOT HIM.. WE OWN THEM... WE are SELLING....
If you really want to know why Parker is in a rush, you should read the FCC papers and see what kind of bonus Parker gets (and the real deadline he is up against)...
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You tell me how Parker gets his seven concessions in arbitration.... He can't beg, borrow, or steal them in arbitration. He must buy them.. that is why he didn't go to arbitration a month ago. His crew news lies are all part of their negotiating strategy. Hurry, hurry, deadline, today only, don't miss out, perishable, never again, boo I'll scare you, jump at it, its now or never... Hog wash. Its Jerry Glass/Parker/Kirby Bull ****e tactics.
They need seven industry standard concessions... he needs to buy them.. we need to sell them.. We get exactly what we require when we sell the concessions... nothing more...nothing less... WE NAME THE PRICE.. NOT HIM.. WE OWN THEM... WE are SELLING....
If you really want to know why Parker is in a rush, you should read the FCC papers and see what kind of bonus Parker gets (and the real deadline he is up against)...
They need seven industry standard concessions... he needs to buy them.. we need to sell them.. We get exactly what we require when we sell the concessions... nothing more...nothing less... WE NAME THE PRICE.. NOT HIM.. WE OWN THEM... WE are SELLING....
If you really want to know why Parker is in a rush, you should read the FCC papers and see what kind of bonus Parker gets (and the real deadline he is up against)...
#123
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You tell me how Parker gets his seven concessions in arbitration.... He can't beg, borrow, or steal them in arbitration. He must buy them.. that is why he didn't go to arbitration a month ago. His crew news lies are all part of their negotiating strategy. Hurry, hurry, deadline, today only, don't miss out, perishable, never again, boo I'll scare you, jump at it, its now or never... Hog wash. Its Jerry Glass/Parker/Kirby Bull ****e tactics.
They need seven industry standard concessions... he needs to buy them.. we need to sell them.. We get exactly what we require when we sell the concessions... nothing more...nothing less... WE NAME THE PRICE.. NOT HIM.. WE OWN THEM... WE are SELLING....
If you really want to know why Parker is in a rush, you should read the FCC papers and see what kind of bonus Parker gets (and the real deadline he is up against)...
They need seven industry standard concessions... he needs to buy them.. we need to sell them.. We get exactly what we require when we sell the concessions... nothing more...nothing less... WE NAME THE PRICE.. NOT HIM.. WE OWN THEM... WE are SELLING....
If you really want to know why Parker is in a rush, you should read the FCC papers and see what kind of bonus Parker gets (and the real deadline he is up against)...
You mean SEC and they mean nothing. There is no rush for him to push this. This is a fire that the hot-heads are trying start by burning rocks. I fell for it too, until I used my brain read for myself. All Parker and company have to do is complete SOC by next year and have his large work groups match other airlines in pay rate. Then shares for them are vested. However there nothing that stipulates that AAL EXECs must meet some fantasy island for leverage point in January but just by the end of 2015....wow pull the lever and watch the slots spin....no cherries.
#124
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Is anyone else perturbed the BOD is meeting Jan 2-3? I would've like to see them meet Dec 27-28, get some feed back and be in a position to pass the contract by Jan 3 as it maximizes our benefit if that is indeed what they decide to do.
#125
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FCC....he gets to have a morning show on AM?!?!?
You mean SEC and they mean nothing. There is no rush for him to push this. This is a fire that the hot-heads are trying start by burning rocks. I fell for it too, until I used my brain read for myself. All Parker and company have to do is complete SOC by next year and have his large work groups match other airlines in pay rate. Then shares for them are vested. However there nothing that stipulates that AAL EXECs must meet some fantasy island for leverage point in January but just by the end of 2015....wow pull the lever and watch the slots spin....no cherries.
You mean SEC and they mean nothing. There is no rush for him to push this. This is a fire that the hot-heads are trying start by burning rocks. I fell for it too, until I used my brain read for myself. All Parker and company have to do is complete SOC by next year and have his large work groups match other airlines in pay rate. Then shares for them are vested. However there nothing that stipulates that AAL EXECs must meet some fantasy island for leverage point in January but just by the end of 2015....wow pull the lever and watch the slots spin....no cherries.
Parker is making $7B next year. Did you find the BOD proposal reasonable or not?
#126
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I gotcha, thanks for the reply. But do you think those 7 concessions that we can sell can get us DL Rates, plus profit sharing, plus min calendar day, plus 321 group 3, etc.? It just doesn't seem that arbitration will be in our favor, not to mention that Airways already uses FAR 117 vs. HBT and there are no Intl/Dom divisions.
As far as what USAirways already uses regarding FAR117 INT/DOM... it is immaterial. The Green Book is what matters as the "arbitration backstop"... but like I said, Parker will never rely on an arbitrator to set his costs.
He needs the pilots to sell the 7 concessions and we will. I don't know how much stamina the BOD has, but there was nothing unreasonable in the BOD counter, IMHO.
#127
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FCC....he gets to have a morning show on AM?!?!?
You mean SEC and they mean nothing. There is no rush for him to push this. This is a fire that the hot-heads are trying start by burning rocks. I fell for it too, until I used my brain read for myself. All Parker and company have to do is complete SOC by next year and have his large work groups match other airlines in pay rate. Then shares for them are vested. However there nothing that stipulates that AAL EXECs must meet some fantasy island for leverage point in January but just by the end of 2015....wow pull the lever and watch the slots spin....no cherries.
You mean SEC and they mean nothing. There is no rush for him to push this. This is a fire that the hot-heads are trying start by burning rocks. I fell for it too, until I used my brain read for myself. All Parker and company have to do is complete SOC by next year and have his large work groups match other airlines in pay rate. Then shares for them are vested. However there nothing that stipulates that AAL EXECs must meet some fantasy island for leverage point in January but just by the end of 2015....wow pull the lever and watch the slots spin....no cherries.
I'd like the BOD to meet in Hawaii on Jan 3rd-15th, and send Kirby a pre-canned email on the 3rd telling them they are working on it and will regrettably be unavailable until they finish their trip at the beach (like he did right before Christmas), but of course in the mean time the previous proposal is still available should Parkirby choose to make the purchase.
#128
Been flying all night to Deep South on a 3 day that pays 10.34. Thankfully Purple Turtle conveyed my thoughts on why we need to continue to negotiate.. It's not emotion it's business on our side as well.
#129
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No problem... I'm patient I'd rather go through arb with the greenbook sacrificing no work rules and take my pay in 2016. Will it be less than what is currently offered? Yes, but I think we are underestimating the qol and costs associated with them. I think we all need to let the BOD/NC do their DD and pass their opinion of the offer. Currently the membership is too emotionally invested ($$$$) to see the true pros/cons/ valuations.
This is a big vote.. We should all be asking ourselves why the company is giving us no time to road show it etc like the F/A. It's a tactic right out of Glass's play book.
This is a big vote.. We should all be asking ourselves why the company is giving us no time to road show it etc like the F/A. It's a tactic right out of Glass's play book.
This is where the arbitration logic ceases to be logical.
-H P
#130
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We need to support the BOD, and Parker needs to man up.
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