Latest AA contract proposal
12-24-2014 | 08:28 AM
#21
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No what I believe he is saying is that he is just fine with staying on current greenbook with all its current work rule. I think he is also saying the he is just fine with the 3% raise in Jan because he still has the better work rules in tact. He is also saying that he is fine with the 16% raise that will come in 16 and still have his current work rules in tact. Then I believe finally that he is saying that he will ride it out until the opening of section 6 then back management into a corner or watch this place burn down.
Its one thing for a company to come to you in lean times and ask for some employee help in the way of concessions. I think that when a company is making billions in profits then turn around and want to gut your contract in terms of work rules for a couple of bucks is just flat out rude and disrespectful.
I may or may not have this right Saabs you tell us please.
WD at AWA
Its one thing for a company to come to you in lean times and ask for some employee help in the way of concessions. I think that when a company is making billions in profits then turn around and want to gut your contract in terms of work rules for a couple of bucks is just flat out rude and disrespectful.
I may or may not have this right Saabs you tell us please.
WD at AWA
12-24-2014 | 08:31 AM
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Ok here is my problem with that logic. The majority of the pilots well never see past that shiny new pay rate. In a few short months when the full impact of the gutted work rules show up it will only then be apparent that it was not worth the couple of dollars. I can make $200 plus an hour flying 80hrs a month and be happy. I can not be happy working 4 on 1 off 4 on 1 of 4 on 1 off.
This screams FATIGUE to me and its now my understanding that the company has taken away its fatigue policy of paying people when calling in fatigued. This place is going down hill fast.
WD at AWA
This screams FATIGUE to me and its now my understanding that the company has taken away its fatigue policy of paying people when calling in fatigued. This place is going down hill fast.
WD at AWA
12-24-2014 | 08:37 AM
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Ok here is my problem with that logic. The majority of the pilots well never see past that shiny new pay rate. In a few short months when the full impact of the gutted work rules show up it will only then be apparent that it was not worth the couple of dollars. I can make $200 plus an hour flying 80hrs a month and be happy. I can not be happy working 4 on 1 off 4 on 1 of 4 on 1 off.
This screams FATIGUE to me and its now my understanding that the company has taken away its fatigue policy of paying people when calling in fatigued. This place is going down hill fast.
WD at AWA
This screams FATIGUE to me and its now my understanding that the company has taken away its fatigue policy of paying people when calling in fatigued. This place is going down hill fast.
WD at AWA
Again, I tell ya. WD you are a genius!
12-24-2014 | 09:05 AM
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From: Airbus button pusher
No what I believe he is saying is that he is just fine with staying on current greenbook with all its current work rule. I think he is also saying the he is just fine with the 3% raise in Jan because he still has the better work rules in tact. He is also saying that he is fine with the 16% raise that will come in 16 and still have his current work rules in tact. Then I believe finally that he is saying that he will ride it out until the opening of section 6 then back management into a corner or watch this place burn down.
Its one thing for a company to come to you in lean times and ask for some employee help in the way of concessions. I think that when a company is making billions in profits then turn around and want to gut your contract in terms of work rules for a couple of bucks is just flat out rude and disrespectful.
I may or may not have this right Saabs you tell us please.
WD at AWA
Its one thing for a company to come to you in lean times and ask for some employee help in the way of concessions. I think that when a company is making billions in profits then turn around and want to gut your contract in terms of work rules for a couple of bucks is just flat out rude and disrespectful.
I may or may not have this right Saabs you tell us please.
WD at AWA
I think people don't realize that we have the option to retain all current work rules in arbitration by keeping the green book.
I'm in my mid thirties so I have a few years left here. You rarely get things back once you give them up, so let's make it worth while.
International/domestic split given up for calendar day? Yeah that might be worth thinking about.
I'm on a 4 day right now. It's worth 17 hours, at other carriers it would be worth at minimum just under 21 hours.
This airline has too many red eyes to not have calendar day pay. And to yes voters, yes I know we won't get calendar pay in arbitration.
I believe both sides want a deal. Jan 3 deadline for the retro pay? I can live without it. That's a scare tactic. They want things from us. Does anyone really think they want a domestic and international little bus division? There is some leverage, am so think the deal will sweeten.
The overnight sim thing ? I don't do international wide body so I don't know much about it, but I'll listen to APA on it. Someone keeps brining up how it is a big deal with the 787 coming online. So let's not just give it up without proper research or compensation.
Attacks get personal on here and they shouldn't. I just want people to take a step back and realize this contract will echoe for the rest or their careers and those behind them. Let's not be blinded by pay rates a year early. We have some leverage and don't even know what the APA has in store yet. Their press release yesterday didn't show their cards at all.
Everyone here knows we aren't going to get deltas current compensation let alone their new contracts. To the yes voters compensation is different than pay rates.
It's not over yet, not even by a mile. But in the end, I am ok with the green book and prepared for it.
12-24-2014 | 09:25 AM
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Good post WD.
I think people don't realize that we have the option to retain all current work rules in arbitration by keeping the green book.
I'm in my mid thirties so I have a few years left here. You rarely get things back once you give them up, so let's make it worth while.
International/domestic split given up for calendar day? Yeah that might be worth thinking about.
I'm on a 4 day right now. It's worth 17 hours, at other carriers it would be worth at minimum just under 21 hours.
This airline has too many red eyes to not have calendar day pay. And to yes voters, yes I know we won't get calendar pay in arbitration.
I believe both sides want a deal. Jan 3 deadline for the retro pay? I can live without it. That's a scare tactic. They want things from us. Does anyone really think they want a domestic and international little bus division? There is some leverage, am so think the deal will sweeten.
The overnight sim thing ? I don't do international wide body so I don't know much about it, but I'll listen to APA on it. Someone keeps brining up how it is a big deal with the 787 coming online. So let's not just give it up without proper research or compensation.
Attacks get personal on here and they shouldn't. I just want people to take a step back and realize this contract will echoe for the rest or their careers and those behind them. Let's not be blinded by pay rates a year early. We have some leverage and don't even know what the APA has in store yet. Their press release yesterday didn't show their cards at all.
Everyone here knows we aren't going to get deltas current compensation let alone their new contracts. To the yes voters compensation is different than pay rates.
It's not over yet, not even by a mile. But in the end, I am ok with the green book and prepared for it.
I think people don't realize that we have the option to retain all current work rules in arbitration by keeping the green book.
I'm in my mid thirties so I have a few years left here. You rarely get things back once you give them up, so let's make it worth while.
International/domestic split given up for calendar day? Yeah that might be worth thinking about.
I'm on a 4 day right now. It's worth 17 hours, at other carriers it would be worth at minimum just under 21 hours.
This airline has too many red eyes to not have calendar day pay. And to yes voters, yes I know we won't get calendar pay in arbitration.
I believe both sides want a deal. Jan 3 deadline for the retro pay? I can live without it. That's a scare tactic. They want things from us. Does anyone really think they want a domestic and international little bus division? There is some leverage, am so think the deal will sweeten.
The overnight sim thing ? I don't do international wide body so I don't know much about it, but I'll listen to APA on it. Someone keeps brining up how it is a big deal with the 787 coming online. So let's not just give it up without proper research or compensation.
Attacks get personal on here and they shouldn't. I just want people to take a step back and realize this contract will echoe for the rest or their careers and those behind them. Let's not be blinded by pay rates a year early. We have some leverage and don't even know what the APA has in store yet. Their press release yesterday didn't show their cards at all.
Everyone here knows we aren't going to get deltas current compensation let alone their new contracts. To the yes voters compensation is different than pay rates.
It's not over yet, not even by a mile. But in the end, I am ok with the green book and prepared for it.
I think that all you young guys and girls need to start taking this career back and realizing that there really is a shortage of skilled pilot labor. There is your leverage right there! No bucks no Buck Rogers. Know who you are and just what you have to offer, TAKE IT ALL BACK. Keep in mind that you only have one thing to sell and if you give that away you have NOTHING.
WD at AWA
12-24-2014 | 09:42 AM
#28
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Guys and gals,
We all need to settle down and wait to see this thing in contract language, the final product. At that point make an informed decision.
My personal opinion, this thing will pass by a large percentage if sent out to a vote.
Merry Christmas to all,
73
We all need to settle down and wait to see this thing in contract language, the final product. At that point make an informed decision.
My personal opinion, this thing will pass by a large percentage if sent out to a vote.
Merry Christmas to all,
73
12-24-2014 | 09:50 AM
#29
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From: A320 F/O
The BOD is educated (or should be) and fully understands the ramifications of a yes/no nod.
Personally, I would much rather a very well educated limited group made up of our group demographic make this decision than 13,000 uneducated people (ie FAs voting "No" just to show they were unhappy, even though they wanted it).
From what the APA has already shown, they don't intend to sell anyone out.
However I have a hunch that come the next contract cycle, these same things will be on the table as company "must haves". Just something to think about. Personally, I'm happy if the BOD is happy and they feel they have extracted every penny of value that they can.
But what I DON'T want to happen, is taking our marbles and storming out, throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old.
12-24-2014 | 09:54 AM
#30
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No what I believe he is saying is that he is just fine with staying on current greenbook with all its current work rule. I think he is also saying the he is just fine with the 3% raise in Jan because he still has the better work rules in tact. He is also saying that he is fine with the 16% raise that will come in 16 and still have his current work rules in tact. Then I believe finally that he is saying that he will ride it out until the opening of section 6 then back management into a corner or watch this place burn down.
Its one thing for a company to come to you in lean times and ask for some employee help in the way of concessions. I think that when a company is making billions in profits then turn around and want to gut your contract in terms of work rules for a couple of bucks is just flat out rude and disrespectful.
I may or may not have this right Saabs you tell us please.
WD at AWA
Its one thing for a company to come to you in lean times and ask for some employee help in the way of concessions. I think that when a company is making billions in profits then turn around and want to gut your contract in terms of work rules for a couple of bucks is just flat out rude and disrespectful.
I may or may not have this right Saabs you tell us please.
WD at AWA
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