STD of 66% from a low pay rate is more then 13% lower then 55% of AA's old rate. $83 vs $94.

Short call and on the 'other side of town'? Suitcase in car solves that. "But what about my wife?" Drive two cars, have her drop your off, or do that honey-do on your days off.

 

One of these days when I do live in base, if I'm sitting short call I'm pretty sure I can do 99% of the stuff I need to do within 30 minutes of the house. I think some guys are just coming up with some off-the-wall examples to make a point. And when it comes to the interpretation of "promptly", it's going to be flight ops management's task to do so. A chief pilot in Charlotte might not like 3 hours to show, while a chief pilot in NYC/MIA/LAX probably would be fine with 3 hours. I don't think those guys have the time or patience to hammer everyone all the time.

 

So if it is agreed that 5hrs credit min per calendar day isn't happening in arbitration then the question becomes clear: Are HBT, intl/dom categories combined and midnight sims worth the tens of thousands of dollars that each pilot will lose in compsensation per year until 2019 if we go to arbitration?

For example: If you had the chance do to a 4hr non jeopardy sim session from 00:00 to 04:00 for $30,000 additional in gross pay would you do it?

It's not quite as simple as 'Stay strong and don't be tempted by the money.'

 

The current short call I think harms the long call system as it requires extra reserves as a backup. I don't see an issue with the two hour callout. It's just people who play the out of base game and cheat the system that are against it. There is always long call if you don't think you can make it in two hours.

Sign the mother f@ducking deal.

 

Yeah it is very much so. My price on those items was met a long time ago. It's insane not to take the deal because of few nonsense things that don't affect the majority.

 

Long calls can and frequently do get assigned short-call. The 2-hour call out means many pilots will simply either have to mitigate commuting by getting local crash pads, hotels or stage themselves at halfway points during short-call. Don't forget it may take 30 minutes of inside airport transportation to get to sign in, so couple that with 30 minutes to get ready (provided you're spring-loaded, already packed and sitting at home with your phone in your hand), most pilots will have to be within 1 hours drive time to the airport.

That's a pretty small percentage of pilots. Most pilots who aren't already line holding captains already will suffer if they want to transition to Group IV FO or upgrade to captain at the first opportunity. It's going to be a disaster for many pilots.

Unfortunately, some pilots are so intoxicated with pleasure at the thought if instant financial gratification, they've masturbated themselves into denial. It's just a suggestion, but I'd clean my shoes off before going out in public if I were you.

 

They've dropped the two-hour language. It's now just "promptly" with no defined time. And like I've stated before, the chief pilots have better things to do than sit there at the entrance to the crew room with stop watches every day.

 

Personally, I'd rather have a cold set in stone time frame because it allows you to plan. What is "prompt"? I would say anything inside of 2 hours from call to show would be darn good, but I don't really know what they want by that.

The Airways 90 mins normal driving time to the airport lot was actually pretty decent for their bases. I understand with AA it wouldn't be ideal, one could make it 2 hours or something normal driving time for specific bases. Keep in mind it wasn't a 90 min call out, just that you had to be within that 90 min ring around the airport.

None of the reserve language I've operated under specified to "push", it was always a call out to be on airport property. You of course have to check in, read mail, update your iPad, look at weather, etc. etc.

I would think *most* people on property are professional about it and aren't laying tile getting a quick call and finish the job, 3 hours later they head to the airport, etc. However that is why there is a CP.

Saying it will only effect a small amount of the pilot group is a ridiculous argument. So does the 190 and look how everyone feels about that. Hell the company can't even staff it.

 

The hbt is going to allow the company to send fewer crew on intl and then sit longer to acclimate you without paying you so u can operate back. Basically going to make intl trips like our red eyes. Working more days for the same amount/less pay. That's the problem with some of these not so important issues. Out for 3 days on red eyes being paid 11 hrs is egregious.

 

LAA has had very vague language for some time. "Reasonably available" I think it says. Prompt would give the company some leverage to go after the chronic feet-draggers who take 3-4 hours to show up or attempt to commute in on short call (I've heard of it happening).

As for the E190...that's an easy fix. Raise the pay and they will come (fly it).