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12-31-2014 | 03:53 PM
#211
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Yup. From the beginning it was only a matter of time. Parker's initial counter would be sweetened slightly reeling in a portion of pilots and then an ultimatum would materialize snagging more. At that point, all they had to do was go directly to those reel in to pressure the BOd and wa'la........a busted union.
That's what Jerry does.
2020 will just be Groundhog Day for AA pilots.
That's what Jerry does.
2020 will just be Groundhog Day for AA pilots.
Now you learn. A couple of years ago it was "We've got this boys."
12-31-2014 | 04:37 PM
#212
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Yup. From the beginning it was only a matter of time. Parker's initial counter would be sweetened slightly reeling in a portion of pilots and then an ultimatum would materialize snagging more. At that point, all they had to do was go directly to those reel in to pressure the BOd and wa'la........a busted union.
That's what Jerry does.
2020 will just be Groundhog Day for AA pilots.
That's what Jerry does.
2020 will just be Groundhog Day for AA pilots.
12-31-2014 | 05:01 PM
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The seven concessions Parker is offering to buy are not already sold. He cannot get them by any other means, except us agreeing to sell them, and we will sell them.. It's only a matter of price and when.... As a union that negotiated or a mob that sold cheep in disunity.
I've never seen a pilot union negotiate. I don't expect to see one now.
The vice parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The LAX reps kneecapped the union's counter.
The prez encouraged direct negotiating.
The APA negotiating chairman openly parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The members are begging the BOD to react to Kirby's negotiating letter.
The Crew News Gospel is believed by the majority.
I now understand why some "union leaders" turncoat...It's the only way to be unmoored from a bunch of ignorant wannabes that couldn't negotiate their way out of wet tiisue handcuffs.
Happy New Year!
12-31-2014 | 05:08 PM
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Yup. From the beginning it was only a matter of time. Parker's initial counter would be sweetened slightly reeling in a portion of pilots and then an ultimatum would materialize snagging more. At that point, all they had to do was go directly to those reel in to pressure the BOd and wa'la........a busted union.
That's what Jerry does.
2020 will just be Groundhog Day for AA pilots.
That's what Jerry does.
2020 will just be Groundhog Day for AA pilots.
12-31-2014 | 06:40 PM
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Calendar Day...
There seems to be a new push on C&R that almost everyone can agree to... The idea that the BOD could vote in favor of the Kirby letter, without sending it out for membership ratification, IF.. IF it included calendar day...
It would be the win for everyone (like Eaglefly has been preaching).
The BOD could unify. The membership could all agree its a win. Parker could move on quickly. And "Going for Great" could get a boost from perceived new labor relations.
Hmmm....
Even seniority #27 thinks it's a good idea.
There seems to be a new push on C&R that almost everyone can agree to... The idea that the BOD could vote in favor of the Kirby letter, without sending it out for membership ratification, IF.. IF it included calendar day...
It would be the win for everyone (like Eaglefly has been preaching).
The BOD could unify. The membership could all agree its a win. Parker could move on quickly. And "Going for Great" could get a boost from perceived new labor relations.
Hmmm....
Even seniority #27 thinks it's a good idea.
12-31-2014 | 06:49 PM
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From: A320 Capt
Couldn't be further from the truth. This isn't about manipulation or forcing anything. Parker for business reasons needs seven industry standard concessions to be on par with Delta costs. He will buy.
The seven concessions Parker is offering to buy are not already sold. He cannot get them by any other means, except us agreeing to sell them, and we will sell them.. It's only a matter of price and when.... As a union that negotiated or a mob that sold cheep in disunity.
I've never seen a pilot union negotiate. I don't expect to see one now.
The vice parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The LAX reps kneecapped the union's counter.
The prez encouraged direct negotiating.
The APA negotiating chairman openly parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The members are begging the BOD to react to Kirby's negotiating letter.
The Crew News Gospel is believed by the majority.
I now understand why some "union leaders" turncoat...It's the only way to be unmoored from a bunch of ignorant wannabes that couldn't negotiate their way out of wet tiisue handcuffs.
Happy New Year!
The seven concessions Parker is offering to buy are not already sold. He cannot get them by any other means, except us agreeing to sell them, and we will sell them.. It's only a matter of price and when.... As a union that negotiated or a mob that sold cheep in disunity.
I've never seen a pilot union negotiate. I don't expect to see one now.
The vice parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The LAX reps kneecapped the union's counter.
The prez encouraged direct negotiating.
The APA negotiating chairman openly parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The members are begging the BOD to react to Kirby's negotiating letter.
The Crew News Gospel is believed by the majority.
I now understand why some "union leaders" turncoat...It's the only way to be unmoored from a bunch of ignorant wannabes that couldn't negotiate their way out of wet tiisue handcuffs.
Happy New Year!
Anyway, Happy New Year.
12-31-2014 | 08:22 PM
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It will pass (although without my help).
12-31-2014 | 08:25 PM
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Actually, I think it would indeed have ended this way. The U pilots didn't experience the JCBA and claim disasters that were precursors to this inevitable conclusion and they ensured this predictable result.
12-31-2014 | 08:26 PM
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Calendar Day...
There seems to be a new push on C&R that almost everyone can agree to... The idea that the BOD could vote in favor of the Kirby letter, without sending it out for membership ratification, IF.. IF it included calendar day...
It would be the win for everyone (like Eaglefly has been preaching).
The BOD could unify. The membership could all agree its a win. Parker could move on quickly. And "Going for Great" could get a boost from perceived new labor relations.
Hmmm....
Even seniority #27 thinks it's a good idea.
There seems to be a new push on C&R that almost everyone can agree to... The idea that the BOD could vote in favor of the Kirby letter, without sending it out for membership ratification, IF.. IF it included calendar day...
It would be the win for everyone (like Eaglefly has been preaching).
The BOD could unify. The membership could all agree its a win. Parker could move on quickly. And "Going for Great" could get a boost from perceived new labor relations.
Hmmm....
Even seniority #27 thinks it's a good idea.
Oh well, back to pointy hats and noise makers.
01-01-2015 | 02:40 AM
#220
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Couldn't be further from the truth. This isn't about manipulation or forcing anything. Parker for business reasons needs seven industry standard concessions to be on par with Delta costs. He will buy.
The seven concessions Parker is offering to buy are not already sold. He cannot get them by any other means, except us agreeing to sell them, and we will sell them.. It's only a matter of price and when.... As a union that negotiated or a mob that sold cheep in disunity.
I've never seen a pilot union negotiate. I don't expect to see one now.
The vice parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The LAX reps kneecapped the union's counter.
The prez encouraged direct negotiating.
The APA negotiating chairman openly parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The members are begging the BOD to react to Kirby's negotiating letter.
The Crew News Gospel is believed by the majority.
I now understand why some "union leaders" turncoat...It's the only way to be unmoored from a bunch of ignorant wannabes that couldn't negotiate their way out of wet tiisue handcuffs.
Happy New Year!
The seven concessions Parker is offering to buy are not already sold. He cannot get them by any other means, except us agreeing to sell them, and we will sell them.. It's only a matter of price and when.... As a union that negotiated or a mob that sold cheep in disunity.
I've never seen a pilot union negotiate. I don't expect to see one now.
The vice parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The LAX reps kneecapped the union's counter.
The prez encouraged direct negotiating.
The APA negotiating chairman openly parroted Parker's negotiating position.
The members are begging the BOD to react to Kirby's negotiating letter.
The Crew News Gospel is believed by the majority.
I now understand why some "union leaders" turncoat...It's the only way to be unmoored from a bunch of ignorant wannabes that couldn't negotiate their way out of wet tiisue handcuffs.
Happy New Year!
APA INFORMATION HOTLINE
This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Tuesday, Dec. 30.
DOMICILE ELECTION RESULTS: BallotPoint has certified the following results.
For the CLT vice chairman election round: FO Courtney Allen Borman received 216 votes, and CA Ron Nelson received 226 votes. Therefore, CA Ron Nelson has been elected as CLT vice chairman for the remainder of the term of office through Oct. 31, 2016.
For the PHL vice chairman election round: FO Paul Music received 367 votes, and FO Wesley A. Smith received 118 votes. Therefore, FO Paul Music has been elected as PHL vice chairman for the remainder of the term of office through Oct. 31, 2015.
APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPECIAL MEETING; NEW YEAR'S DAY HOLIDAY SCHEDULE: The APA board of directors is scheduled to convene at APA headquarters Jan. 2 and 3 regarding next steps in the joint collective bargaining agreement negotiations.
APA will close at 3 p.m. Central tomorrow for the New Year's Day holiday and will reopen at 8 a.m. Central on Jan. 2.
That's it for now. Thank you for checking this hotline.
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