MIA 767I has a reputation of having 3 hr/2 fly trips. Monthly schedule of 18 on, 12 off. 3 on, 2 off.

The '2 off' is actually 79-80 hrs off. Leave at 1700 and get back at 0600 on day 3, or leave at 0000 and get back at 1530 on day 3.

The guys bidding them aren't being forced onto them. They're bidding the lousy lines, vs. sitting on reserve, and then try and trip trade away from those trips.

Six percent of the schedule had 3/2 schedules.

Check quick showed guys are trading off of up to half of them so you're not necessarily stuck with all of them all month which is why guys bid them vs. sitting reserve.

 

Is it possible to put 2 trips on a calendar day: trip 1 finishes day 3 at 0800 and trip 2 begins at 2100 the same day?

 

Caledar Day is industry standard. The company is making $7B next year... The most profitable airline in history. Why are folks trying so hard to make excuses for the company s!hTty proposal?

 

Viper - yes. Get in at 0400-0600 and leave that night on the 2200-2359 flights.

Not my gig but some guys do it.

 

As a new hire, I came to AA expecting the MOU rates (parity in 2016) and not much more. Although I did apply at other places, for me AA was number one primarily due to the ability to live in base and the retirement schedule. Even though I was pretty close to the bottom of my class, I got my number one pick, I live in base and I know how incredibly lucky I am to get on when I did. AA as a company is in great shape and I think the company will have incredible opportunity in the short and long term.

All of that being said, the JCBA process has been an incredible disappointment. I drank A LOT of Kool-Aid during indoc and remember the management folks telling us how we were going to be superior to the Deltas in every way, how the 'new team' was very pro culture, etc. In some ways, I still almost believe the mantra, and understand that the last few months have really been hard ball 'business' negotiations. THIS SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE - IT'S THEIR JOB!!! Why are we surprised or intimidated about this?

I admittedly don't have all of the facts that the NC or BOD have had, I wasn't there for the MOU agreement that has supposedly hamstrung the NC, etc, but I'm really sick of hearing from some reps and line guys that we aren't in section 6, and therefore we can't negotiate... BS. The company has been acting like they are in section 6 with their asks (demands), and we let them define the fight. Why are we worried about the 'cost neutral' arbitration? It's in black and white that the framework is to put all three contracts into agreement, following the current MTA. They can't just 'get' Int'l/dom or HBT relief because they want it, the company is asking for their concessions because what they want is outside the MTA!

Look, I understand that we (and me included!) stand to lose money if we go to arbitration, and we won't magically get calendar day, LOS or ponies for the kids but we also maintain leverage to enter section 6 early (by 2017 if both parties agree, per the MOU/MTA), if not get an agreement for industry standard items before then. I really want this company to have the leeway to compete, I'm just not willing to sell out so quickly. As someone a bit more learned than I posted on C&R, why settle for what Delta has, we're going to be on track to make close to $7Billion next year, we should have the best contract out there.

There are 'bottom feeder' operations that have QOL rules that put ours to shame.

No brainer things for new hires to send "sound offs" about:

- Reserve in general, but seriously - why don't reserve get 5 hour min day or more than 1 to 2 days off in a row? WTH?
- LOS up till date of first offered recall (doesn't affect me, but it might in the future)
- Calendar day or a 1:2.5 duty rig. THE PAY RAISE MEANS NOTHING if you are gone from home more!

Again, I'm very proud to work here, and no matter what we have a bright future. We just need to fight for what we are worth.

 

Amen Cheddar..couldn't have said it better myself. Sad thing is I don't even get a vote on probation. I keep sending my sound offs anyway. I'm currently flying with a Sr. captain who is a no vote. I feel there is more "No" voters out there than this board cares to realize. Blows my mind the folks that only see $$$ but don't evidently mind working 19-20 days a month while our peers fly 15-17.

Last thing we need to do is rush this out to a vote with out even basic language/ valuations to study.

 

Great post.

 

Don't you already have a 1 for 2 duty rig?

 

Not for nothing? Lol! Are you from New York?! (I love that saying...)

Hey..not for nothing, but I was on the Southwest Jumpseat yesterday. The F/O said he was on a 3 day that paid 30 hours. I don't even know that's possible, but that's what he said. (And, I thought they got paid by the trip too..anyway he said it as we were parting so I didn't have time to get into it.)

 

Whomever is running around saying this isn't a negotiation is misguided. Some are yes reps and are rationalizing their greed for the quick payoff and others simply don't understand the situation. The MOU stipulates the parties can negotiate prior to proffer of arbitration by Parker and his initial proposal and the subsequent counters demonstrate that.

The problem is, Parker was dictating more than negotiating. It seems some including Glassker want to define this interaction within boundaries that are favorable to their interests and so the silly and pointless reference to section 6.