Latest AA contract proposal
01-04-2015 | 06:18 PM
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We still don't know what is in it, the BOD did not approve it (they agreed "in principle" because they don't have a written copy either), and still we have people clamoring to vote.
01-04-2015 | 06:23 PM
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Even if we assume the new offer includes that trip rig, Delta has 5:00+ per calendar day which is waaaay better than 1 for 3.5.
We still don't know what is in it, the BOD did not approve it (they agreed "in principle" because they don't have a written copy either), and still we have people clamoring to vote.
We still don't know what is in it, the BOD did not approve it (they agreed "in principle" because they don't have a written copy either), and still we have people clamoring to vote.
It's the MTA unless it was one of the "gives" listed. The APA is finalizing the language for those gives.
01-04-2015 | 06:27 PM
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It's already in the MTA, available to you on the USAPA website, Merger library.
F. Time Away From Base
1. A pilot who reports for any flight duty (including deadheading) which involves two (2) or more
on duty periods broken by at least one (1) off duty period away from such pilot's base, shall
receive the greater of the following:
a. one (1) minute pay and flight time credit for each three and one- half (3-1/2) minutes of
scheduled or rescheduled time away from such pilot's base;
b. one (1) minute pay and flight time credit for each three and one- half (3-1/2) minutes of
actual time away from such pilot's base.
The difference between flight time pay and flight
time credit earned during such period of time
away from base and the minimum flight time pa
y and flight time cr
edit provided above shall
be computed as an extension of the trip which br
ings the pilot back to the pilot's base for legal
rest
F. Time Away From Base
1. A pilot who reports for any flight duty (including deadheading) which involves two (2) or more
on duty periods broken by at least one (1) off duty period away from such pilot's base, shall
receive the greater of the following:
a. one (1) minute pay and flight time credit for each three and one- half (3-1/2) minutes of
scheduled or rescheduled time away from such pilot's base;
b. one (1) minute pay and flight time credit for each three and one- half (3-1/2) minutes of
actual time away from such pilot's base.
The difference between flight time pay and flight
time credit earned during such period of time
away from base and the minimum flight time pa
y and flight time cr
edit provided above shall
be computed as an extension of the trip which br
ings the pilot back to the pilot's base for legal
rest
This is exactly what happens when the BOD abandons the constitutional process and the bylaws regarding negotiating, approving, and ratifying a TA.
People start fighting with each other about their votes based on unknowable details.
One thing is for sure, the West Trip Rig was offered by APA and the company said FU.
Unless the BOD wakes up and follows the constitution and bylaws APA will remain in total disarray leaping at every management stimulus.
IOW, we are F__ked.
01-04-2015 | 06:30 PM
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You are assuming that is the current proposal. The BOD doesn't even have the current proposal.
This is exactly what happens when the BOD abandons the constitutional process and the bylaws regarding negotiating, approving, and ratifying a TA.
People start fighting with each other about their votes based on unknowable details.
One thing is for sure, the West Trip Rig was offered by APA and the company said FU.
Unless the BOD wakes up and follows the constitution and bylaws APA will remain in total disarray leaping at every management stimulus.
IOW, we are F__ked.
This is exactly what happens when the BOD abandons the constitutional process and the bylaws regarding negotiating, approving, and ratifying a TA.
People start fighting with each other about their votes based on unknowable details.
One thing is for sure, the West Trip Rig was offered by APA and the company said FU.
Unless the BOD wakes up and follows the constitution and bylaws APA will remain in total disarray leaping at every management stimulus.
IOW, we are F__ked.
Now, tell me exactly how we do better in arbitration, and I'm sincerely listening. I haven't made up my mind.
01-04-2015 | 06:30 PM
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And the west has 5:15 which is waaaaay, waaaay better. So what? How do you get there? Eaglefly and his buddies gave that away when they told us "We got this." Heck, even lowly old USAPA had TAed the west's long rate.
It's the MTA unless it was one of the "gives" listed. The APA is finalizing the language for those gives.
It's the MTA unless it was one of the "gives" listed. The APA is finalizing the language for those gives.
The company has said nothing but "NO" for thirty years and they haven't lost once... Won every time.
Reconcile that!!
01-04-2015 | 06:34 PM
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I'm looking for concrete examples, of which I've seen none.
Did you read how the AA system melted down over Thanksgiving and Christmas? Yeah, me neither.
01-04-2015 | 06:36 PM
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I find it interesting that unionbuster66's philosophical copilot lumps all native AA pilots into a "we got this" barrel in support of his blame for this situation, yet pursues intensifying their latest error by defending its acceptance.
I guess when a quick buck payoff is involved, one can rationalize just about anything.
I guess when a quick buck payoff is involved, one can rationalize just about anything.
01-04-2015 | 06:42 PM
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I find it interesting that unionbuster66's philosophical copilot lumps all native AA pilots into a "we got this" barrel in support of his blame for this situation, yet pursues intensifying their latest error by defending its acceptance.
I guess when a quick buck payoff is involved, one can rationalize just about anything.
I guess when a quick buck payoff is involved, one can rationalize just about anything.
Do you really even work for AA? You don't seem to know much about the contract.
If you do, you will be one of those guys screaming "Don't blame me, I voted NO!" for the next 5 years. Whether you actually did or not.
I don't know how I will vote. Probably yes unless there is a ton that I'm missing. You guys did this with the MOU. You didn't need us. You had the chance to show your displeasure over the last few months, but all I saw on C&R were guys listing premium trips to pick up.
01-04-2015 | 06:49 PM
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Anyone that accepts the ploy that negotiations are over (when there has been no sale) will sell cheap. (Most pilots don't even realize we are selling and Parker is buying. We are selling industry standard productivity. He has to buy to be competitive.
Parker needs the concessions he wants to buy. He can't get those concessions in arbitration. We must agree to sell/give them to him. He will buy them now or later.
Oh nevermind... "We" the APA will fold like a cheap suit. Pilots don't know **** about negotiations, don't have the interest in learning, and never will learn from the past. We always fall for the same tricks on the first offer.
Always. Glass owns the pilots.
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