EF works for Eagle. He isn't a mainline pilot. Just a union lackey.

 

APA to let the pilots vote.

American Airlines pilot union leaders agree on proposed contract vote - American Airlines Group (NASDAQ:AAL) | Seeking Alpha

 

Of course I know the difference. That has nothing to do with the conversation. I originally said that our rigs wouldn't change under the company proposal, but they would be slightly better than what we've had for 20+ years. A lot of guys are claiming that they are gone. Not true.

If the company came in and said that now they will give us the raise if we give up our entire contract, would we do it? Of course not. There is always give and take. We have to ask if the take is worth the give.

 

Unionbuster66, why would an ALPA pilot care about all this, especially if he didn't or wasn't flowing ? If I was an ALPA lackey intending to flow, I'd want the TA as I'd start $30 + more then present.

Illogical, as usual.

 

Arguing over the HBT/Rig issue is like a group of bluebottle flies massed on a dog pile debating its quality. The fact is this TA helps Parker more while concurrently hurting us in the long run.

 

I'm willing to bet that this eventual TA will be a small step forward, not backwards. It's not what we wanted, but unfortunately APA was blinded by the merger honeymoon and sold off their leverage in the MTA. Regardless, all those awesome provisions we'd all like to see here at AA won't arrive via arbitration, nor will it arrive via "back room deals" that aren't taking place. They will have to arrive via side letters or a new contract forged without cost-neutral safety nets for the company.

Will we be the airline everyone hoped it would be when the merger was announced? No. Will it be gloom and doom and dogs-and-cats-living-together moments where pilots are miserable and everyone hates life? No, not unless you're just that type of negative personality.

Even with things the way they are, I'm happy to be here. The pay increase will be nice, the other changes will likely be minimal to overall QOL. Time to move on and enjoy having one of the better jobs in the world.

 

I understand your present intoxication with your surroundings, but that high will wear off. The truth is significant contractual improvements won't arrive. Certainly NOT by any future section 6. You touched on the reality when you said "cost neutral". In 2020, Parker will again offer quid-pro-quo for raises that will still not be long-term industry leading. So, we will have to agree to once again take what's offered or remain with a 2015 bankruptcy contract and industry trailing wages, because this pilot group will be no stronger then it is now and likely the opposite.

 

You must be a pretty miserable person if you hate your job so much. Even after all the BS I put up with while flying for the military, I still enjoyed my job for the most part. The only problem is you can't fly for the military forever and at some point your exchange flying for management positions. I just wanted to fly airplanes for a living.

Every job I've ever had involved some negative aspect of "management" (or leadership, as it's known in the military). I'm looking at this deal through the big picture pros vs cons view, not through a narrow ideological "stand strong" lens.

 

What does fighting for fair treatment have to do with liking or hating my job ?

If you mix apples and oranges like this, how can one conclude you're not rationalizing your capitulation using the same exact but erroneous thought process ?

Obviously, I see your weakness in this situation. It's born of coming from an environment where you are programmed from the beginning to not question anything and trust me, that will only destroy you in this environment. I've been in it for over 25 years and the lessons learned have been very consistent.

I can assure you that you do NOT have the "big picture". To march in here crisp uniform or not recently from the military and proclaim that you have the big picture all figured out is absurd. I've been in THIS "picture" for over two and a half decades and it's nothing like what you think or expect it will be.

That is of course, unless you aspire to reach a management position.

 

"Big Picture"....as in life, brother. What makes a person happy in LIFE. I don't mean that I'm a corporate lawyer and know all the ins and outs of labor contracts. Honestly, that job would probably force me to stick a fork in my eye.

OK, you all can go back to calling each other "weak" or whatever. Seriously, try thinking positive some of the time. And I'm still chuckling that you seem to think I walked over to 121 world with a glimmer in my eye and that my previous job was rainbows and unicorns and I still haven't "gotten it" that work can be...well, work and not fun at times. Whatever.