Why yes I can, thanks. You wrote "THE" YES voters, not "Some." Sounds all inclusive to me.

Now, want to make any real points and suggestions?

 

You've convinced me, I'm voting no. Now, can I count on you to admit that you were wrong if it goes badly for us?

 

You make a simple error in your assumption that those two positions are contradictory.

The first is based on a written and enforceable contract, the second is based on the acknowledgment that an unwritten proposal is unknowable.

Next question..

 

If you can show how resolve goes bad for us then I will certainly admit it!! ... provided that the collective "we" don't cave before I think we should.. I.e. Everyone has to hold out as long or longer than I would!

 

Pilot A says, "No way no way no way......any questions?"

Pilot B says, "Yeah, are you quoting Kirby?"

 

PT, you're going to want to set down for this.

I was wrong. I know, I was a shocked as anyone, but hey it happens to some of us. The offer on the table isn't the same rigs we've worked under for the last 20+ years. They are slightly better. The company offered to raise the average day to 5:10.

I'll still vote no for you, but if we can get what we want by just saying no, then why aren't we asking for much, much more?

 

That's false.

I didn't see us giving up the 1:3.5 trip rig as one of the concessions, so worst case, a 6 day trip starting at 2000 and ending at 0600 (106 hours/3.5) would pay just over 30 hours. A trip starting at noon and ending at noon (120 hours/3.5) would pay just over 34 hours. Of course this all assumes your block time is lower than the rig.

 

The last I saw was a company offer of 5:10 per duty period average, NOT calendar DAY. Do you understand the difference? Since the company rejected the APA BOD's offer to ratify the offer immediately without membership ratification, provided the company agreed to the West Long Rig (a watered down calendar day) then I find your claim suspect.

You asked why we don't ask for much more if saying NO works? Ask why Parker/Glass/Kirby always demand so much and always say, no, no, no..

Reconcile that!!

 

Guys are making sh*t up. A six day trip paying 20:40 and they're wondering if we have any duty rigs?? How can they pretend to make an informed vote when they're ignorant of the basics?

The six day trip is paying 34 hrs. Glad we 're not flying that sh*tty 31 hr six day trip that DL has.

 

Because HBT is a contractually provision, it can, I believe, be waived. If a crew would prefer to operate the flight beyond HBT limits, but within 117 limits, rather than cancel, they could; on the other hand, if they prefer not to, they're not required.


Could you explain how adding an extra day to the layover changes what time the flight departs? The HBT policy requires the FDP limit to be based on HBT, without regard to whether or not the crew is acclimated. I'm not seeing how making the layover longer would have any effect...

Why would the arbitrators "take averages" or give "industry average(i.e. Delta and United averages) for pay, reserve rules, hotel rules, retirement etc..."? The APFA arbitration called for industry average and for the new contract to be better than either pre-merger contract; ours calls for the arbitration to be "limited to fashioning provisions which are consistent with the terms of the MTA, including
provisions which implement the terms of the MTA or facilitate the integration of pilots under the terms of the MTA." What part of that jurisdiction involves industry averages or AA/USE/USW averages?