USAPA Withdraws
07-01-2015, 09:32 AM
#101
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Re-read your previous posts and tell me about bad decision making! How did those links work out for you? C'est la vie, mon vieux!
*FNM is what?
07-01-2015, 09:36 AM
#102
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Hey, do as you see fit. Most though accept it as something that weakens ones position or argument. Perhaps, it's simply yet another reason to fence the two groups off. "Each case turns on its own facts" and let's face it, if the forums (and integration committees) are any confirmation, the U and LAA pilot groups are oil and water.
07-01-2015, 11:28 AM
#103
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Right now, ALL the pre-merger proposals and lists are no longer on the APA website (unless I missed them) and thus any or all of those proposals and lists may soon be modified. In reality, considering the wrench the 9th threw, USAPA's (East) response and now awaiting response from the arbitrators on the path forward along with possible other obstructionist moves by USAPA, NOTHING appears in play anymore........at least with any certainty.
It may be a completely new ballgame with completely new positions and proposed lists and that's IF we can even move forward in the near future.
07-01-2015, 01:28 PM
#104
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My guess is if the APA is forced to swallow the NIC, they're new proposals slotting will be even more ridiculous than the first one. Fences won't matter at that point as very few LUS pilots (east or west) will be senior enough to touch a widebody anyway. I really don't see the APA allowing a west pilot hired in the 2000's to go above one of the 1980's hired Captains without a fight. But, that's what arbitration is for
07-01-2015, 02:08 PM
#105
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My guess is if the APA is forced to swallow the NIC, they're new proposals slotting will be even more ridiculous than the first one. Fences won't matter at that point as very few LUS pilots (east or west) will be senior enough to touch a widebody anyway. I really don't see the APA allowing a west pilot hired in the 2000's to go above one of the 1980's hired Captains without a fight. But, that's what arbitration is for
The arbitrators of course, NEVER swallow anything, they only provide the medicine to be swallowed, so they can do whatever they feel is fair and equitable.
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07-01-2015, 02:10 PM
#106
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You boys have to get your act together and combine a list.
It's not a three-way anymore, but two lists - just like how TWA doesn't get to set the order anymore, easties have to comply.
It looks like they'd rather pout and take their ball home in tears though. Real mature there...
07-01-2015, 02:27 PM
#107
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So what law was passed to ensure a fair and equitable resolution? Because of American? Why have the courts been Fockering it up? The courts have been pizzing in the wind to create rain...
They need to slap their forehead and be astonished that there is a law that resolves the confusion they exacerbated... turn to the statute, read it, and compel its implementation (even upon their fellow judges).
Oh nevernind. Resume food fight.
They need to slap their forehead and be astonished that there is a law that resolves the confusion they exacerbated... turn to the statute, read it, and compel its implementation (even upon their fellow judges).
Oh nevernind. Resume food fight.
07-01-2015, 02:37 PM
#108
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Well, the APA isn't swallowing anything, it would theoretically be the LAA pilots committee (AAPSIC). Of course, THEY are no obligation to swallow it either and thus could formulate an integration model that includes none or just portions of the Nic and argue from there. They supposedly had perhaps 10 models and it wouldn't surprise me if one or more assumed only a Nicolau consideration as an opposite.
The arbitrators of course, NEVER swallow anything, they only provide the medicine to be swallowed, so they can do whatever they feel is fair and equitable.
The arbitrators of course, NEVER swallow anything, they only provide the medicine to be swallowed, so they can do whatever they feel is fair and equitable.
APA as the new CBA just like usapa inherited the previous. M&B is not retroactive thus it has no standing on the east west list. I strongly suggest that you read all the transcripts and get yourself familiar with the courts order. I think you will see that the atty are already talking about not trying to find ways to get around the courts order and find themselves in contempt.
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07-01-2015, 02:46 PM
#109
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Completely and utterly incorrect.
APA as the new CBA just like usapa inherited the previous. M&B is not retroactive thus it has no standing on the east west list. I strongly suggest that you read all the transcripts and get yourself familiar with the courts order. I think you will see that the atty are already talking about not trying to find ways to get around the courts order and find themselves in contempt.
WD at AWA
APA as the new CBA just like usapa inherited the previous. M&B is not retroactive thus it has no standing on the east west list. I strongly suggest that you read all the transcripts and get yourself familiar with the courts order. I think you will see that the atty are already talking about not trying to find ways to get around the courts order and find themselves in contempt.
WD at AWA
I think AAPSIC is fully ready to deal with the possibility of a "NIC-only" integration counter-proposal by pre-merger U pilots, whatever the make-up of that committee. It's just that previously the status quo wasn't in legal question and now it is. They've punted to the arbitrators to ensure that they are playing fair in this issue.
07-01-2015, 03:05 PM
#110
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I disagree that's it's a simple as you believe. The way I understand it, the courts "order" doesn't not require ANYONE to recognize the Nic except USAPA as a position of recognition. APA and AAG are almost certainly in lock-step NOT wanting to create any appearance that they support even covertly USAPA's possible further obstructionism, but that does not mean anything other then that.
I think AAPSIC is fully ready to deal with the possibility of a "NIC-only" integration counter-proposal by pre-merger U pilots, whatever the make-up of that committee. It's just that previously the status quo wasn't in legal question and now it is. They've punted to the arbitrators to ensure that they are playing fair in this issue.
I think AAPSIC is fully ready to deal with the possibility of a "NIC-only" integration counter-proposal by pre-merger U pilots, whatever the make-up of that committee. It's just that previously the status quo wasn't in legal question and now it is. They've punted to the arbitrators to ensure that they are playing fair in this issue.
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