And how long will that take? 2 years, 3 years, 8 years? Until all original East pilots are group 3 captains? Ok now we are ready to negotiate....The whole industry is tired of USAPA BS. Nobody forced you to pull your committee. It's like watching a spoiled 5 year old not getting his way. You had plenty of time to protest having radicals on the merger committee. You had 8 years to vote out USAPA. You made your bed now sleep in it.

Watching you play the victim after 8 years of oppressing west pilots and reaping ill gotten gains is precious.

 

I agree that all affected pilots are entitled to representation, but should one committee be allowed to hijack the proceedings ?

Let's face it. When it comes to hijacking things like arbitrations (Nicolau and now this) mergers and their MOU's, nobody has a history like USAPA and I think they've run out of friends like airline executives, other unions, arbitrators and judges all of whom are becoming increasingly unsympathetic to this type of conduct.

One outcome (unpalatable, I agree) MAY just be that the arbitrators continue the process without East pilot representation and use what documentation is provided by the other parties to decide the fairness of the Nic and/or integration with LAA pilots or perhaps call their bluff. USAPA itself has left that door still open and may return. If that occurs and they just choose to take their ball and go home, they can sue, but 5-7 years from now, that is a real wildcard for success if you ask me.

 

Under MB and union DFR in general, do the company and the APA owe USAPA or me a DFR?

 

Nobody is saying that the East pilots don't have the right to representation. You guys are collectively committing harakiri. Neither the company nor APA are responsible for ensuring you are represented by intelligent people. We are all free to sabotage ourselves in life.

 

What exactly did I do to commit hari kari? Did I get a vote on my merger committee?

The west was granted their own committee, I wasn't.

 

I never recorded it, at the urging of my coworkers. Neither side of your decade long sissy slap-fight are worth it any more but I have a feeling somebody is going to have to burn you all out of the caves like on Iwo Jima.

 

Yes, it would seem they must live up to THEIR obligations, but if your committee or whomever is running your show for YOUR interests refuses to participate, who is to blame and WHO is failing YOU in DFR then ?

One could argue that present East pilots who are left out in the cold at the whim of the arbitrators here would have DFR against your USAPA union and/or committee and not APA. After all, wasn't it USAPA that repeatedly argued that THEY are still a recognized representative for YOU ?

The DFR regarding you the East pilots sound really like a USAPA DFR failure and not an APA one. Remember, all 3 other parties have punted to the arbitrators to decide your fate considering what YOUR supposedly active union and reps have decided to do against the will and wishes of all the others.

 

Who asked for and was granted SCS and thus is my CBA?

 

Does anyone have the timeline on the Addington district redo post 9th especially on fees and cost awards?

That's another whole mess waiting to unwind - my guess is years to settle. TWA's issues took a long time to shake out as well.

I don't understand giving up representation. East even with Nic is going to prefer different approaches to joining lists, different fences etc.

How is east going to protect widebody flying without advocating? West is not on top of Nic list in terms of numbers (nic is heavy east at top) and doesn't really have the same flying so can easily give it away for something they might care about.

The Arb's should just keep door open but move ahead being clear that east can still participate.

There is a pattern here with USAPA. They decerted to try and get around Nic.

 

Your former CBA signed a protocol agreement with the APA that gave USAPA the responsibility to represent the East pilots in the SLI process. In that agreement the East pilots through USAPA agreed to arbitrate the question of a separate West committee and the West ultimately prevailed. Also in that protocol agreement USAPA agreed that should they withdraw from the SLI arbitration process they will forfeit their right to participate further in the process.

Even though the APA is your CBA, the conditions in which you would be represented in the SLI were spelled out in this agreement by all parties. Now that your seniority representatives have exercised their right to withdraw, does not mean the APA has or will breach its DFR by not appointing a new East committee.

Your letter writing campaign should be aimed at the committee who walked out on the talks, not the APA. Your East committee and FBA abandoned you. Sad, but it's not a DFR.

You're in a tough spot, I get it. But it is really a spot created by the collective will of your own group.


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