If we're talking numbers.. You brought more pilots than actual seats for those pilots to the table.

 

Yes, hence the desire of the two LUS integration committees to select a methodology that include hits on LAA pilots using a "longevity" argument, i.e., it benefits LUS pilots and disadvantages LAA pilots. That was one of my points about the LUS committee(s) strategies as the LAA pilots are more vulnerable to this then East or West.

The two LUS committees didn't choose this methodology by accident and it had nothing to do with "equitable". They determined where our weaknesses were and attacked from that position.

 

I'm guessing the arbitrators will see it this way as well.

 

Thanks for that admission, it's hard for any of us to do. This a confusing situation.

I can't say that I have ever thought Siegal was unbiased. He seems to be working for the west every time. I expect it from Freund, but the company's attorney? What a hypocrite! They cannot get the contract implemented and told you guys at a PHX crew news that the FOS probably won't let them integrate us until when,mid 2016? But they can't take a month to let us have our representation? Wasn't Siegal one of the guys arguing that the east couldn't effectively argue for the west? What's the difference?

The best item I was in the transcript was from Freund. Page 109:

Now, Wes has said he has to redo his
6 entire case in light of USAPA's decision to leave
7 the field.
8 I don't agree with him. He can choose to
9 do that, but he's totally free to take whatever
10 position he thinks is appropriate on behalf of the
11 pilots that he represents.
12 And knowing that the question of whether
13 the starting point of a seniority integration for
14 this pilot group, collectively, that the question of
15 whether it should be the Nicolau Award or shouldn't
16 be the Nicolau Award was in play. And I regard it
17 as still in play, although, albeit that there isn't
18 going to be an East committee to argue that point.
19 I don't know why it is that the American
20 Committee has to change its position.
21 It can vigorously and forcefully argue
22 that the list that it has proposed is a fair and
Page 110
1 equitable list given all the circumstances.
2 So his choice to rejigger his exhibits is
3 just that: It's a choice.
4 I don't want to deprive him of that choice
5 if he wants to do that. That's okay with me. But
6 we should recognize it for what it is, and that is
7 it's a choice.
8 So what I'm suggesting is that we begin
9 with our case on the next Monday regularly scheduled
10 for the hearing.

Surprised me coming from your lawyer.

 

How do you think arbitrators figure it out? They figure out guys entire careers and not just where they merge at the date the SLI is announced. So being senior at some point is part of the value equation that has to be addressed.

LUS has about 180 Group IV CA slots.
There are approx. 550 third listers.
With the additional Group IV a/c on order LUS will have about 350 Group IV CA slots. So only 64% of third listers will be able to sit in a Group IV CA seat.

Even if the third listers are stapled, which they won't be, they'll eventually all be in the top 1100 guys. Why 1100? Because that's approx. how many Group IV CA jobs there will be by 2020. At some point 100% of third listers will be line holders vs. only roughly 50% lineholders with 12% on reserve if LUS hadn't merged. That's a net increase of approx. 50% of Group IV CA jobs for the third listers. That's why you'll do ok.

How does an arbitrator value the increase in career earnings and w/b QWL that the younger US guys will eventually benefit from due to the merger? That's the $64,000 question the parties will try to hash out in front of the arbitrators.

 

Why does this surprise you? This is the truth, all lists are in play. Jeff is telling the aapsic to "bring it".

P.S. the pilot on tonight's call that said 0-5 in front of arbs, smartest of the lot. The arbs got your number.

 

Because I have seen your guys write over and over "Now the Nic has to be the starting point!"

 

The Nic. is the starting point going into the arb from the lus side. The aapsic seems to want to propose a reordering of our list, we could easily propose the Naatives own list be re-ordered

 

Totally disagree - I am an East third-lister and very much believe we all should be junior to every West pilot hired before 2007. I didn't even think other third-listers thought this way! We were all hired after the AWE-USA merger, so we are obviously junior to every pilot who was already on property then, regardless of us still being in separate operations.

 

It may well end up being that, a good chance, but you have never been granted that by a court. The 9th specifically didn't give you that. It's not in the MOU or the protocol agreement.