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06-04-2020, 03:15 PM
#1501
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Originally Posted by ChopNDrop
When I applied to AAWWH, during the second phase, they said they wanted to hire in excess of 500 pilots this year.. as compared to around 250 the previous years.
the constant job openings for the 737 and the greater hiring numbers are not related to possible growth with the fleet in your opinion?
the constant job openings for the 737 and the greater hiring numbers are not related to possible growth with the fleet in your opinion?
First I'd say that staffing requirements aren't actually divulged during job interviews. We consistently hear one thing then see another. That's not to say we will or won't hire. This means that the people talking to you have an incentive to be rosy and echo good news (who promotes the guy saying "We're about to crash a plane!"?). Good times or bad, their job is to evaluate you and, if they like you, convince you that this is the place you want to be. Incentives run in the other directions as well. There are folks who make this place seem worse than it is purely as a way of limiting the influx as pilots. So the numbers you hear in an interview are, unfortunately, worth very little.
Second, I'd take a more global view of how pilots fit into the dynamics here. Pilots are commodities in a power struggle that's got less and less to do with the actual welfare of the crews. There are influence campaigns meant to affect our decisions on whether to come to work and also our decisions on the flight line. So I'd only focus on the things we can measure today (SEC filings, airplanes on the ramp, public announcements from Amazon, etc.).
I'd avoid basing your decisions on hope. Go with data. That's just me, though. I'm here and not at someplace better. So, really, am I qualified to speak? I speak anyway though. So I guess there's that.
06-04-2020, 04:20 PM
#1502
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Originally Posted by Elevation
That's a good question.
First I'd say that staffing requirements aren't actually divulged during job interviews. We consistently hear one thing then see another. That's not to say we will or won't hire. This means that the people talking to you have an incentive to be rosy and echo good news (who promotes the guy saying "We're about to crash a plane!"?). Good times or bad, their job is to evaluate you and, if they like you, convince you that this is the place you want to be. Incentives run in the other directions as well. There are folks who make this place seem worse than it is purely as a way of limiting the influx as pilots. So the numbers you hear in an interview are, unfortunately, worth very little.
Second, I'd take a more global view of how pilots fit into the dynamics here. Pilots are commodities in a power struggle that's got less and less to do with the actual welfare of the crews. There are influence campaigns meant to affect our decisions on whether to come to work and also our decisions on the flight line. So I'd only focus on the things we can measure today (SEC filings, airplanes on the ramp, public announcements from Amazon, etc.).
I'd avoid basing your decisions on hope. Go with data. That's just me, though. I'm here and not at someplace better. So, really, am I qualified to speak? I speak anyway though. So I guess there's that.
First I'd say that staffing requirements aren't actually divulged during job interviews. We consistently hear one thing then see another. That's not to say we will or won't hire. This means that the people talking to you have an incentive to be rosy and echo good news (who promotes the guy saying "We're about to crash a plane!"?). Good times or bad, their job is to evaluate you and, if they like you, convince you that this is the place you want to be. Incentives run in the other directions as well. There are folks who make this place seem worse than it is purely as a way of limiting the influx as pilots. So the numbers you hear in an interview are, unfortunately, worth very little.
Second, I'd take a more global view of how pilots fit into the dynamics here. Pilots are commodities in a power struggle that's got less and less to do with the actual welfare of the crews. There are influence campaigns meant to affect our decisions on whether to come to work and also our decisions on the flight line. So I'd only focus on the things we can measure today (SEC filings, airplanes on the ramp, public announcements from Amazon, etc.).
I'd avoid basing your decisions on hope. Go with data. That's just me, though. I'm here and not at someplace better. So, really, am I qualified to speak? I speak anyway though. So I guess there's that.
all valid points, thanks for the insight.
06-05-2020, 08:57 AM
#1504
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A number of airlines will hire pilots right up to the day that they start furloughing. With the current volatile aviation environment, getting in a indoc class, and being furloughed the next day would not be unheard of.
Atlas has historically done a lot of interviewing, anytime there is a fluctuation in what their needs are, they start the process. I actually had received an unsolicited telephone interview with them at one point in time (internal recommend from an acquaintance). They were gearing up for a potential contract and would need a lot of pilots. Never went anywhere after that, as they did not get the contract.
Had another interview with them, went all the way through the process, interview, sim check, everything. There was a bunch of people at that one. Not one prospect in that whole interview process was hired. Why? They didn't get the expected contract.
Most major carriers do not see training costs as a detriment to their operational costs. Some smart accountants just write that off as part of operational expenses.
These are rough times, best of luck to everyone.
Atlas has historically done a lot of interviewing, anytime there is a fluctuation in what their needs are, they start the process. I actually had received an unsolicited telephone interview with them at one point in time (internal recommend from an acquaintance). They were gearing up for a potential contract and would need a lot of pilots. Never went anywhere after that, as they did not get the contract.
Had another interview with them, went all the way through the process, interview, sim check, everything. There was a bunch of people at that one. Not one prospect in that whole interview process was hired. Why? They didn't get the expected contract.
Most major carriers do not see training costs as a detriment to their operational costs. Some smart accountants just write that off as part of operational expenses.
These are rough times, best of luck to everyone.
06-05-2020, 09:47 AM
#1505
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It’s such a downer to continue to hire right up to a furlough, granted if you get that line number than furlough with a backup bill payer then at least your foot is in the door perhaps. Amazing (I know, not amazing due to contract) how we had so much trouble filling classes; folks headed to class or in class and vanish to their career carrier of choice. Pendulum swings constantly and without remorse. Stay calm, stay safe and may all your endeavors work out.
06-05-2020, 10:22 AM
#1506
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Originally Posted by ChopNDrop
When I applied to AAWWH, during the second phase, they said they wanted to hire in excess of 500 pilots this year.. as compared to around 250 the previous years.
the constant job openings for the 737 and the greater hiring numbers are not related to possible growth with the fleet in your opinion?
the constant job openings for the 737 and the greater hiring numbers are not related to possible growth with the fleet in your opinion?
So hiring/training 350-400 and loosing virtually the same amount.
Its an assumption yes....but if we assume 20-30 retirements this year they could possibly use 350-400 extra pilots this years with 0 attrition.
06-05-2020, 01:50 PM
#1509
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Originally Posted by Lionhaart
Just got an offer of employment and a class date! The 767 will be my bird.
Looking forward to the challenge!
Looking forward to the challenge!
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