Originally Posted by RyeMex

No problem. For anyone thinking about coming to Atlas/Southern, by two cents would be this: take a sober look at our current CBA. Expect that it will not get better and may actually get worse. In any case, it’s better than being unemployed. But I would not come here if you’re making your decision based on what you hope this place will look like with a new CBA. Plan for this pay rate. Plane for minimum guarantee. Expect that to be the case for the next 10 years or until they lock the doors. Then, if things actually get better, you’ll be pleasantly surprised as opposed to not paying the bills when you’re not making the money that a recruiter tells you that you’ll make.

Originally Posted by Bike Handles

Where can I find this CBA? Asking for a friend...

Originally Posted by RyeMex

CBA:
https://iap2750.org/wp-content/uploa...Final_SIGN.pdf

CBA Comparison (as of Dec 2018):
https://iap2750.org/wp-content/uploa...Comparison.pdf

Originally Posted by RyeMex

CBA:
https://iap2750.org/wp-content/uploa...Final_SIGN.pdf

CBA Comparison (as of Dec 2018):
https://iap2750.org/wp-content/uploa...Comparison.pdf

Originally Posted by RyeMex

My understanding is that the last time that we went through this "9 month process" that it actually took a couple of years. It's anyone's guess how long it will take for a new CBA. However, in light of the current state of the industry, I wouldn't expect many positive changes in the next CBA. The company doesn't need to increase pay / QOL when there are 1,000 regional pilots on the street this month, no one else is hiring, and the rumors of furloughs at every other airline are rampant.

Originally Posted by KingAirKiddo

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. We are still wildly under compensated relative to our peers at every other company, whose contracts are all in force. Additionally we've not experienced a significant downturn in our business--in fact just the opposite. If management were forward looking they'd lock in a market competitive deal now while there is a surplus of pilots that we could attract and retain long term and start kicking a__ and taking names again instead of continuing to lose business to our competitors. We'll see how it all plays out. I just personally am not ready to adopt a defeatist mindset yet. Just my quick $.02

Originally Posted by RyeMex

We have in all likelihood entered a new recession, if not a new depression. The union leadership knew that we were rolling the dice with time with our current strategy. Unfortunately, we seem to have lost this gamble.

Originally Posted by KingAirKiddo

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. We are still wildly under compensated relative to our peers at every other company, whose contracts are all in force. Additionally we've not experienced a significant downturn in our business--in fact just the opposite. If management were forward looking they'd lock in a market competitive deal now while there is a surplus of pilots that we could attract and retain long term and start kicking a__ and taking names again instead of continuing to lose business to our competitors. We'll see how it all plays out. I just personally am not ready to adopt a defeatist mindset yet. Just my quick $.02

Originally Posted by iPilot

We'll never know what the real dynamic was during this negotiation cycle. You say the union made a gamble but there just as likely wasn't anything to gamble with. If Atlas management stonewalled at the table there is absolutely nothing the union could do. If the plan all along was to ram through amalgamation no matter how long it took, then no amount of deal (aside form full capitulation and 0% increase in any contract section, maybe) would of done the trick. They probably knew how bad the pain would be and how long it would take from Day 1. All they had to do was sit and wait and be ok with competitors eat away at a little market share for the time being.

Or heck for all we know Amazon is buying Atlas and there is simply no way to complete a new contract until they're at the spot where buying makes sense. Whether that's tomorrow, when the CVG hub is running, or 10 years from now we will only know after it happens. Occam's razor however would imply that Atlas was cool with near unlimited amount of pain because business could easily shift to other ACMIs while they wait it out. They are just looking at the long game far beyond one silly pilot contract.

Originally Posted by ImmaAHole

I know of a CA that would take serious offense to saying ABX was Airborne Express