Meanwhile, in Purchase...

"Due to no successful bidders, this trip is being canceled."

Great news! Maybe if this happens more often we'll get the industry standard contract we deserve.

must have been a trip for an FO ;)

5 guys quit this week, presumably to enjoy Christmas at home before starting with another outfit, hence the increased 747 FO open time.

Here's hoping they, and all of you, have a very Merry Christmas no matter where in the world they happen to be.

Without wanting to step on any toes I was pointing out that it seems the FO's know how to say 'no' a bit more than the captains....could be wrong but seems to be a slight trend there.

You didn't step on my toes...and I will go a bit farther and say mostly it is the really senior Atlas (not formerly Polar that is) that don't get it (and I am an Atlas guy as some of you may know).

The culture however is changing and it is the bottom 200-300 numbers that are changing it...and some hard-headed unionists Captains like me.

Good luck all and Happy Holidays to everyone.

It's also the bottom 200-300 folks that are very portable and can make up their seniority very quickly somewhere else in just a few years based on mandatory retirements at the big 3. Makes 2016 kind of a hard line in the sand for me.

I'd go as far as to say iTs that way all the way up to the last 4.5 year hires :cool:

Right on KME. +1

kme, C5, and Timmy,

While what you are saying is likely so, you and others are here for now...and not sitting in a class at DL, UA, etc.

I also know that you are here because you like lots of things, while we are all convinced that it could get much better. The potential exists but it will mean we have to convince the top of the group to play ball our way...it is that simple, right?

So, while you are here, it is seriously time to try to make this place better. But the only way to make that happen is to...
1. Fly strictly per the CBA...no allowances to be made for anything.
2. Convince the naysayers to think in the long term, not just for their next pay check.

All the best to all of us in the new year...