Atlas Air Hiring
06-10-2017 | 05:50 AM
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Sure. Less pay, longer work hours, worse work rules. Pay is over a third less. Atlas procedures being implemented, that means more work for the same crap pay SAI has had from the beginning of this debacle.
New Atlas expense accounting procedures threatens imputed income if not completed quickly.
Whatever good SAI had, is being erased as the worst aspects of Atlas are being integrated into SAI. No respect from Atlas as they just see SAI as something to be exploited and punished even further. Being bought by Atlas was of no benefit. Absolutely no hope for improvement - ever.
Only good thing; True home basing on the 777F - no imputed income.
With all the whining that Atlas people have, what they don't understand is that things are significantly worse at SAI.
SAI is whalesh*t in the AAWW organization - it does not get any lower.
If Atlas offers you a position on a SAI aircraft - run as fast as you can in the opposite direction.
New Atlas expense accounting procedures threatens imputed income if not completed quickly.
Whatever good SAI had, is being erased as the worst aspects of Atlas are being integrated into SAI. No respect from Atlas as they just see SAI as something to be exploited and punished even further. Being bought by Atlas was of no benefit. Absolutely no hope for improvement - ever.
Only good thing; True home basing on the 777F - no imputed income.
With all the whining that Atlas people have, what they don't understand is that things are significantly worse at SAI.
SAI is whalesh*t in the AAWW organization - it does not get any lower.
If Atlas offers you a position on a SAI aircraft - run as fast as you can in the opposite direction.
06-10-2017 | 06:10 AM
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Sure. Less pay, longer work hours, worse work rules. Pay is over a third less. Atlas procedures being implemented, that means more work for the same crap pay SAI has had from the beginning of this debacle.
New Atlas expense accounting procedures threatens imputed income if not completed quickly.
Whatever good SAI had, is being erased as the worst aspects of Atlas are being integrated into SAI. No respect from Atlas as they just see SAI as something to be exploited and punished even further. Being bought by Atlas was of no benefit. Absolutely no hope for improvement - ever.
Only good thing; True home basing on the 777F - no imputed income.
With all the whining that Atlas people have, what they don't understand is that things are significantly worse at SAI.
But
SAI is whalesh*t in the AAWW organization - it does not get any lower.
If Atlas offers you a position on a SAI aircraft - run as fast as you can in the opposite direction.
New Atlas expense accounting procedures threatens imputed income if not completed quickly.
Whatever good SAI had, is being erased as the worst aspects of Atlas are being integrated into SAI. No respect from Atlas as they just see SAI as something to be exploited and punished even further. Being bought by Atlas was of no benefit. Absolutely no hope for improvement - ever.
Only good thing; True home basing on the 777F - no imputed income.
With all the whining that Atlas people have, what they don't understand is that things are significantly worse at SAI.
But
SAI is whalesh*t in the AAWW organization - it does not get any lower.
If Atlas offers you a position on a SAI aircraft - run as fast as you can in the opposite direction.
But- you can tell your side piece you fly a 777 to make up for your shortcomings
Enjoy
06-10-2017 | 06:13 AM
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My salary: $84 x 62 hours x 12 months = $62,000
FedEx: $168 x 74 x 12 = $149,000
Same damn job. Yes we can get double, and we deserve it.
Also, I wouldn't put much stock in the guys running their mouths about training dept failures. 747 training here is tough, and yes a failure here and there happens. But it's not widespread and they are not out to get you.
FedEx: $168 x 74 x 12 = $149,000
Same damn job. Yes we can get double, and we deserve it.
Also, I wouldn't put much stock in the guys running their mouths about training dept failures. 747 training here is tough, and yes a failure here and there happens. But it's not widespread and they are not out to get you.
UPS is even higher for second year pay. $171x75x13=$166,725.00
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06-10-2017 | 09:05 AM
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Does it really matter tho? I mean 15 vs 20 days away. At that point you're going to lose your family anyways. I don't know how they do it unless they have no life or have no family worth coming back to.
06-10-2017 | 10:49 AM
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06-10-2017 | 11:43 AM
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"not much" is a good, broad answer. That said, a lot of pod strikes seem to be on the downwind side, so a few degrees down on upwind side is, IMO, a good idea.
06-10-2017 | 12:42 PM
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There is an issue with runway crowning and landing a long jet here. There's a 2 degree crown from the centerline to wick water off the runway, so if there's any drift off of centerline (or the nose is lined up with centerline and the CG is not, in the case of crosswinds in a long jet and not consciously compensating for this) you're running the risk of scraping the upwind pods as you flare for the relatively lower downwind side of the runway and subconsciously put a degree in to stop the drift and get back to center. Be careful out there :-)
06-10-2017 | 05:02 PM
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"many of us suspect they'll drive us into bankruptcy to force us into a contract that's as bad or worse"
This kind of hyperbole is ridiculous. While I agree they have zero desire to pay us what we are worth, driving the company to bankruptcy just to avoid paying us is an absurd statement. The losses incurred in such a maneuver would far and away outstrip any "savings" from a concessionary contract. Think about it. This company generates just under 2 billion in revenues and turns a smallish approx average profit of 74 million (average the last 5 years,taken from the most recent annual report). With 1800 pilots, an average 40,000 per person raise is approx 72 million (which still leaves 2 mil in profit). Moreover the company has capital reinvested, on average, almost half a billion per year the last 4 years... therefore the $ exist to still grow the business, show a profit and pay us what we are worth. Thus the aforementioned statement really Makes no sense. Nobody takes a profitable company and drives it into the dirt just to avoid paying the employees. Let's leave the hyperbole to the gridlock and stupidity of the polarized politicians in Washington, they are way better at it anyway.
This kind of hyperbole is ridiculous. While I agree they have zero desire to pay us what we are worth, driving the company to bankruptcy just to avoid paying us is an absurd statement. The losses incurred in such a maneuver would far and away outstrip any "savings" from a concessionary contract. Think about it. This company generates just under 2 billion in revenues and turns a smallish approx average profit of 74 million (average the last 5 years,taken from the most recent annual report). With 1800 pilots, an average 40,000 per person raise is approx 72 million (which still leaves 2 mil in profit). Moreover the company has capital reinvested, on average, almost half a billion per year the last 4 years... therefore the $ exist to still grow the business, show a profit and pay us what we are worth. Thus the aforementioned statement really Makes no sense. Nobody takes a profitable company and drives it into the dirt just to avoid paying the employees. Let's leave the hyperbole to the gridlock and stupidity of the polarized politicians in Washington, they are way better at it anyway.
Those ACMI customer contracts you speak of that can't support an industry standard cba can be renegotiated in bankruptcy as well. That is exactly what Republic had to do in order to compete for pilots in the marketplace.
I'm not saying it is a foregone conclusion that Atlas Air will declare bankruptcy but the possibility is far from ridiculous.
06-10-2017 | 06:09 PM
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American Airlines had $4.1 billion in cash when they declared bankruptcy.
Those ACMI customer contracts you speak of that can't support an industry standard cba can be renegotiated in bankruptcy as well. That is exactly what Republic had to do in order to compete for pilots in the marketplace.
I'm not saying it is a foregone conclusion that Atlas Air will declare bankruptcy but the possibility is far from ridiculous.
Those ACMI customer contracts you speak of that can't support an industry standard cba can be renegotiated in bankruptcy as well. That is exactly what Republic had to do in order to compete for pilots in the marketplace.
I'm not saying it is a foregone conclusion that Atlas Air will declare bankruptcy but the possibility is far from ridiculous.
06-10-2017 | 07:56 PM
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There is an issue with runway crowning and landing a long jet here. There's a 2 degree crown from the centerline to wick water off the runway, so if there's any drift off of centerline (or the nose is lined up with centerline and the CG is not, in the case of crosswinds in a long jet and not consciously compensating for this) you're running the risk of scraping the upwind pods as you flare for the relatively lower downwind side of the runway and subconsciously put a degree in to stop the drift and get back to center. Be careful out there :-)
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