Atlas Air Hiring
07-07-2017 | 05:34 PM
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The framework agreement appears to culminate during/after peak season.
Smells like the company will negotiate up until till then to keep everybody flying through peak season, then walk away before signing.....leaving us hanging, waiting for the following year to have leverage once again.
Until airplanes stop moving and/or something forces a signature, I'm dubious of any claims from anybody.
Smells like the company will negotiate up until till then to keep everybody flying through peak season, then walk away before signing.....leaving us hanging, waiting for the following year to have leverage once again.
Until airplanes stop moving and/or something forces a signature, I'm dubious of any claims from anybody.
07-07-2017 | 07:26 PM
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The framework agreement appears to culminate during/after peak season.
Smells like the company will negotiate up until till then to keep everybody flying through peak season, then walk away before signing.....leaving us hanging, waiting for the following year to have leverage once again.
Until airplanes stop moving and/or something forces a signature, I'm dubious of any claims from anybody.
Smells like the company will negotiate up until till then to keep everybody flying through peak season, then walk away before signing.....leaving us hanging, waiting for the following year to have leverage once again.
Until airplanes stop moving and/or something forces a signature, I'm dubious of any claims from anybody.
07-08-2017 | 06:44 AM
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And what exactly do you think they are delaying for, DAVE? Economic cycle lengths average around 6 years. The last recovery began in, what, 2009? Every passing day favors management. They are still suing us for how to proceed with the merger. Management is determined to win, and when management is determined to win I put my money on management.
What exactly did I write that made you want to scream at me mr. Caps lock? i dont care nor did i give a slant on what the company is waiting for or why. My response to Globe was in the eventuality of an arbitrated CBA what i thought an arbitrator may or may not be able to effectively argue given the current state of our situation. Nothing more. We can all rage on here about what the company is doing and why but speculation just causes undue stress. Bye now....im paddling back out.
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07-08-2017 | 06:53 AM
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It will be a very long time. If they gave us UPS's contract tomorrow it wouldn't solve their staffing problems for this year. I'd argue that they're delaying this CBA so long that we have no idea what the market will look like. That may be their plan. Delay until the market changes then force a concessionary contract in front of an arbitrator. Then buy Centurion when that contract is up. As for the arbitrator, he'd be bound by the Southern and Atlas contracts IF it's my worst case scenario that the company is surely pushing for. In that scenario we'd see Kalitta plus $5 an hour plus similar or worse work rules/retirement 2.5 years from now for a duration of 5 years. Then we'd be a minimum of 10 years out from fixing it...
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07-08-2017 | 09:55 PM
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What exactly did I write that made you want to scream at me mr. Caps lock? i dont care nor did i give a slant on what the company is waiting for or why. My response to Globe was in the eventuality of an arbitrated CBA what i thought an arbitrator may or may not be able to effectively argue given the current state of our situation. Nothing more. We can all rage on here about what the company is doing and why but speculation just causes undue stress. Bye now....im paddling back out.
07-09-2017 | 06:37 AM
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07-09-2017 | 10:03 AM
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None of us has all the facts. We only have our beliefs and opinions.
Dave is an eternal optimist.
Most of the rest of us are not so much so.
Depends on your philosophical slant and professional history in this industry.
My opinion is that the company will not give us anything. We will have to take it from them and that will only happen when the planes stop moving.
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Dave is an eternal optimist.
Most of the rest of us are not so much so.
Depends on your philosophical slant and professional history in this industry.
My opinion is that the company will not give us anything. We will have to take it from them and that will only happen when the planes stop moving.
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07-10-2017 | 08:49 AM
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I agree with this statement.
And I do call out the BS, rhetoric and the histrionics but I have always agreed with your message so how does that make me an "eternal optimist?" I don't know how anyone can be an eternal optimist in this industry when we are all just 6 months away from being out of a job.
Regardless, I am not going to get worked up about things beyond my control.
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