Atlas Air Hiring
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This right here is Exhibit A for why people have such a hard time taking you guys seriously. You all beat the drum about how awful life is at Atlas and urge people to do their due diligence but when someone does that by asking legitimate questions you all roll in like a**holes with snarky condescending comments. (It’s not just you two, but yours were the easiest quotes to paste.)
If you really want to get any traction with your party line, you need to realize you’re shooting yourselves in the foot every time you get on here an sh*t on anyone trying to make educated decisions.
As a former GIANT, I wish you all nothing but success in your fight, but y’all need to get your act together and quit being a**holes to people who are simply trying to arm themselves with information.
You ruin your credibility every time you do.
If you really want to get any traction with your party line, you need to realize you’re shooting yourselves in the foot every time you get on here an sh*t on anyone trying to make educated decisions.
As a former GIANT, I wish you all nothing but success in your fight, but y’all need to get your act together and quit being a**holes to people who are simply trying to arm themselves with information.
You ruin your credibility every time you do.
Don’t use the company’s bad behavior as an excuse for your own. Is it really that hard to just not be an a**hole?
As long as you’re criticizing grammar; “So, you want me to take someone seriously who wants to fly a 747 when they lack basic grammar?” There...fixed for you. Your syntactic error says the subject wants to fly a 747 “seriously”

You’re deluded by your own misplaced arrogance and the assumption that people actually like to fly with you.
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Perhaps English isn’t his or her first language.
As long as you’re criticizing grammar; “So, you want me to take someone seriously who wants to fly a 747 when they lack basic grammar?” There...fixed for you. Your syntactic error says the subject wants to fly a 747 “seriously”
You’re deluded by your own misplaced arrogance and the assumption that people actually like to fly with you.
As long as you’re criticizing grammar; “So, you want me to take someone seriously who wants to fly a 747 when they lack basic grammar?” There...fixed for you. Your syntactic error says the subject wants to fly a 747 “seriously”

You’re deluded by your own misplaced arrogance and the assumption that people actually like to fly with you.

The really funny thing is that you're not even correct in your criticism. The subject of my sentence is "someone who wants to fly a 747", not "someone", as you claimed. That completely invalidates your criticism. Nice try though.
By the way, how would you have any idea if people want to fly with me and what does that have to do with anything that was said here? Seems like you just desperately want to attack me personally.
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Mm-hmm, fully committed.
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Rereading my post, I realize now how it could be taken wrong. "Good luck, you'll need it" was not meant as a negative comment towards the pilot asking about Atlas. Unfortunately, I failed to adequately convey that.
My intent was to wish this pilot, and all new hires for that matter, the best of luck navigating the Atlas Air training program. The program is designed to take pilots with thousands of hours flying international heavy aircraft and teach them how to fly our specific aircraft. The program is not designed to successfully train pilots with minimal time or little to no jet time and successfully train them. We have pilots with those backgrounds that make it but we also have many who do not.
Atlas Air new hire failure rate 30%
Southern Air new hire failure rate 60%
Without a redesign of the training program, we are really doing a major disservice to the careers of those who pass through the front door.
My intent was to wish this pilot, and all new hires for that matter, the best of luck navigating the Atlas Air training program. The program is designed to take pilots with thousands of hours flying international heavy aircraft and teach them how to fly our specific aircraft. The program is not designed to successfully train pilots with minimal time or little to no jet time and successfully train them. We have pilots with those backgrounds that make it but we also have many who do not.
Atlas Air new hire failure rate 30%
Southern Air new hire failure rate 60%
Without a redesign of the training program, we are really doing a major disservice to the careers of those who pass through the front door.
How bad is it currently at Atlas? I understand management is horrible and refuses to negotiate -likely stretching a new agreement out 3 years at least (and that's hopeful). Schedule is grueling 17+ days and pay is worse than a regional. By the time a new contract comes it'll be industry low in no time. That or with ACMI Atlas contracts business out and Furloughs pilots or just up and starts another company -perks of parent company + multiple holdings. Someone told me Frank Lorenzo is behind the scenes.
Western Global is still fairly new, benefits aren't the best, but pay is fair and upgrade time is quick. Schedule is better from my understanding.
For someone looking for pay and QOL over 3-4 years, Western Global or Atlas? Atlas 747 / WG MD-11. Anticipate offers with both. Highly qualified. Time sensitive, thank you all very much in advance. Please honest and informative posts..
Western Global is still fairly new, benefits aren't the best, but pay is fair and upgrade time is quick. Schedule is better from my understanding.
For someone looking for pay and QOL over 3-4 years, Western Global or Atlas? Atlas 747 / WG MD-11. Anticipate offers with both. Highly qualified. Time sensitive, thank you all very much in advance. Please honest and informative posts..
Pretty damn bad. I’m one of the many hoping to move on ASAP...
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