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Old 05-20-2019 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tahoejace
This right here is Exhibit A for why people have such a hard time taking you guys seriously. You all beat the drum about how awful life is at Atlas and urge people to do their due diligence but when someone does that by asking legitimate questions you all roll in like a**holes with snarky condescending comments. (It’s not just you two, but yours were the easiest quotes to paste.)

If you really want to get any traction with your party line, you need to realize you’re shooting yourselves in the foot every time you get on here an sh*t on anyone trying to make educated decisions.

As a former GIANT, I wish you all nothing but success in your fight, but y’all need to get your act together and quit being a**holes to people who are simply trying to arm themselves with information.

You ruin your credibility every time you do.
So, you want me to take someone who wants to fly a 747 seriously when they lack basic grammar? No. I have more respect for my profession than you do.
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Old 05-20-2019 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kolt66
So, you want me to take someone who wants to fly a 747 seriously when they lack basic grammar? No. I have more respect for my profession than you do.
Using a minor grammatical error as justification for belittling a fellow aviator seeking information is hardly “respecting” our profession. You can achieve the same goal of steering people away from Atlas without being a d*ck in the process.

Don’t use the company’s bad behavior as an excuse for your own. Is it really that hard to just not be an a**hole?
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Old 05-21-2019 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
Bottom CVG 74 FO is a July of 18 hire, JFK April of 17. What will happen in the future is anyone's guess.
JFK is a very small base, and has been shrinking...
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Old 05-22-2019 | 07:43 AM
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Atlas Air Fully Committed to A New Contract for Pilots: Statement from Bill Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer, Atlas Air Worldwide - Atlas Air Worldwide
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Old 05-22-2019 | 09:11 AM
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“It’s time to put pilots first, ahead of protests, and get to a new contract.”

That’s what I call a “word salad”.
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Old 05-22-2019 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kolt66
So, you want me to take someone who wants to fly a 747 seriously when they lack basic grammar? No. I have more respect for my profession than you do.
Perhaps English isn’t his or her first language.

As long as you’re criticizing grammar; “So, you want me to take someone seriously who wants to fly a 747 when they lack basic grammar?” There...fixed for you. Your syntactic error says the subject wants to fly a 747 “seriously”

You’re deluded by your own misplaced arrogance and the assumption that people actually like to fly with you.
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Old 05-22-2019 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LeftWing
Perhaps English isn’t his or her first language.

As long as you’re criticizing grammar; “So, you want me to take someone seriously who wants to fly a 747 when they lack basic grammar?” There...fixed for you. Your syntactic error says the subject wants to fly a 747 “seriously”

You’re deluded by your own misplaced arrogance and the assumption that people actually like to fly with you.
I criticized him for his lack of "basic grammar". I don't go around looking for errors that people make concerning the nuanced juxtaposition of words in a sentence like you've just tried to do. I just think that pilots who can't use basic grammar make our profession look bad. You must disagree with that which tells me that you probably don't have much respect for our profession.

The really funny thing is that you're not even correct in your criticism. The subject of my sentence is "someone who wants to fly a 747", not "someone", as you claimed. That completely invalidates your criticism. Nice try though.

By the way, how would you have any idea if people want to fly with me and what does that have to do with anything that was said here? Seems like you just desperately want to attack me personally.
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Old 05-23-2019 | 12:57 PM
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“Fully committed”...As evidenced by years of delays, no-shows, stonewalling, lawsuits, arbitration, demands for amalgamation, threats of concessions, demands to keep ancient work rules, hiring union busting specialists, refusals to discuss any sections that are money-related, twice breaking framework agreements, refusing to meet more than a few paltry days per month & then going months with no meetings at all... while at the same time telling new hire candidates that a new CBA is right around the corner...for years on end.

Mm-hmm, fully committed.
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Old 05-23-2019 | 04:24 PM
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Rereading my post, I realize now how it could be taken wrong. "Good luck, you'll need it" was not meant as a negative comment towards the pilot asking about Atlas. Unfortunately, I failed to adequately convey that.

My intent was to wish this pilot, and all new hires for that matter, the best of luck navigating the Atlas Air training program. The program is designed to take pilots with thousands of hours flying international heavy aircraft and teach them how to fly our specific aircraft. The program is not designed to successfully train pilots with minimal time or little to no jet time and successfully train them. We have pilots with those backgrounds that make it but we also have many who do not.

Atlas Air new hire failure rate 30%
Southern Air new hire failure rate 60%

Without a redesign of the training program, we are really doing a major disservice to the careers of those who pass through the front door.
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Old 05-24-2019 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by V1AutoPilot
How bad is it currently at Atlas? I understand management is horrible and refuses to negotiate -likely stretching a new agreement out 3 years at least (and that's hopeful). Schedule is grueling 17+ days and pay is worse than a regional. By the time a new contract comes it'll be industry low in no time. That or with ACMI Atlas contracts business out and Furloughs pilots or just up and starts another company -perks of parent company + multiple holdings. Someone told me Frank Lorenzo is behind the scenes.

Western Global is still fairly new, benefits aren't the best, but pay is fair and upgrade time is quick. Schedule is better from my understanding.

For someone looking for pay and QOL over 3-4 years, Western Global or Atlas? Atlas 747 / WG MD-11. Anticipate offers with both. Highly qualified. Time sensitive, thank you all very much in advance. Please honest and informative posts..

Pretty damn bad. I’m one of the many hoping to move on ASAP...
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