Atlas Air Hiring
06-26-2014 | 04:58 AM
#8801
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I'm in the pool and waiting....... However it's good to see what's going on but nobody has mentioned hiring info in a while. Last class I was aware of was June 30th and no mention of anything after. Also I'll be curious to see what happens with backup flights. That's a pretty major QOL issue especially if you have a 60 day line with shorter trips and more gateway travel. Literally could affect the decision to work here for some.
I know things get buried pretty quickly here but earlier there was mention of a July class on the 21st. 747 Instructors in MIA are preparing for it.
Keep in mind everyone it is getting close to negotiations time and that always creates a stir in the force. Both sides will start pushing and shoving, that's how it goes.
I agree with Tallon, this thread is for those seeking employment who have questions. With the tangents recently from current employees there have been missed questions from prospective employees or even those in the pool. This information would be best discussed on another thread. Might I suggest an "Atlas" thread in the "Charter" section or even "Cargo" section? But missing questions from those who come here to ask them about hiring is a disservice to this valuable thread.
If you have an Atlas hiring/other question(s) that has been missed, I will do my best to go back and answer them but please feel free to ask again in case I or others missed it.
06-26-2014 | 05:05 AM
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Anyone with similar situations, especially those that have been in the pool for over a year, please PM me and I will do what I can to help you.
There will be a class in July (21st I believe). My best guess is that calls for that class will start going out as early as next week but most likely around 2 weeks before the class starts (that is about the time when HR will become aware of that class while the training department already knows of it and is already preparing for it).
Hopefully your pool days will soon be over. Sorry for the delay, it is a start on the wrong foot but if you are here for the kind of flying we do, this will be but a short bad memory that will quickly go away when you are having the time of your life online!
06-26-2014 | 05:16 AM
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06-26-2014 | 05:26 AM
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If you are in possession of that type of information and negotiations are indeed ongoing, you are not only jeopardizing any possible outcome of what is likely confidential at this point, but demonstrating that you cannot be trusted with important projects by those you serve.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
06-26-2014 | 06:14 AM
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Since when? Apparently, you and I have different contracts. Oh, and when did the change in position happen? For the longest time, we were told to fight it as it is not in the contract and now, I just need to do my homework. Care to quote the part where it says in order to take Gateway Travel you must have a backup flight plus 10 hours of rest?
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
Johnny could not agree more!
Also, Atlasslave mentioned the that if you want to truth read his posts.....The truth according to who? Really....
As far as not campaigning I did not read anything in the last 8 or 10 pages of this thread that would constitute campaigning. Also after carefully reading the 1224 bylaws, there is NO reference to when campaigning can begin. Plus the DoL, LMRDA, OLMS or the NLRB address when campaigning can officially start, in 'the' guidebook they leave it up to the individual union. I am not sure where Atlasslave got the info. Is this a truth??????
BTW, if it is true that we are talking about a 'retirement' or any 'adjustment' to gateway travel, then the group should be PO'ed that we were not asked the question, "what do you want?" Oh, I guess it is sorta like the AQP negotiations, they did not ask the pilot group either, I guess they just know better than the pilot group does.
Anyway for those wanting to work at Atlas it is a fairly good place to work. I believe that it will be a much better place to work in the near future.
Cargowannbe
06-26-2014 | 06:30 AM
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I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
Suggest you start by reading Section 20.E.9 of the 1224 bylaws.
You could also familiarize yourself with article XIX section 7 of the IBT constitution.
06-26-2014 | 07:06 AM
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One could have been "lurking" around on this thread without having to post anything...or having to be a member.
06-26-2014 | 07:20 AM
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Unfortunately, I can not reveal my source but my information is correct. I am highly involved with union work. These pension decisions are being made at the highest levels of the union without input from the Retirement and Insurance Committee. I would like to inform the pilot group of their "representation" from their leadership on the union forum but this topic will be censored just as other topics that don't fit the union leadership's goals have recently been censored.
Oh yeah, the leadership is about to give relief on the Gateway Travel backup flight to the company as well.
I wish I was making this up...unfortunately, I am not.
Come on guys, doesn't anyone else care about what is going on here or are you all too busy filling out applications for UPS to care?
Oh yeah, the leadership is about to give relief on the Gateway Travel backup flight to the company as well.
I wish I was making this up...unfortunately, I am not.
Come on guys, doesn't anyone else care about what is going on here or are you all too busy filling out applications for UPS to care?
Besides, the members would have to vote on something like that as well. So to sit here and worry about it with just a rumor . . . nope. I'll do something else. That's not to say I won't be asking around. And no, I'm not filling out any applications, either. If I go anywhere, I'll excercise my AA recall. But as long as I'm here I will follow the CBA and do my part.
06-26-2014 | 07:43 AM
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Since when? Apparently, you and I have different contracts. Oh, and when did the change in position happen? For the longest time, we were told to fight it as it is not in the contract and now, I just need to do my homework. Care to quote the part where it says in order to take Gateway Travel you must have a backup flight plus 10 hours of rest?
Answers for your homework:
10 hours of rest prior t a duty period- CBA 2.DD
Gateway Backup (Company interpretation) - CBA 6.A.6.f Gateway is owned by the Company and is extended to the crewmember. As such, they can do what they will to make it work in their system. To make sure a crewmember gets there in time for an operation, they can require a backup and use the whole day prior to shop for a fare.
Gateway Backup (Union position) - Union LEGAL agrees that backup is acceptable; NOT the ExCo and the rest of the committees that deal with this. However, any backup assigned must be the last flight of the day for the rest indicated above and the flight chosen for the crewmember travel must be the closest in time (not anytime that day or the day prior, cheapest fare, etc.) to that last flight of the day and must conform to CBA 6.A.6.a (Expeditious Travel).
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
Answers for your homework:
10 hours of rest prior t a duty period- CBA 2.DD
Gateway Backup (Company interpretation) - CBA 6.A.6.f Gateway is owned by the Company and is extended to the crewmember. As such, they can do what they will to make it work in their system. To make sure a crewmember gets there in time for an operation, they can require a backup and use the whole day prior to shop for a fare.
Gateway Backup (Union position) - Union LEGAL agrees that backup is acceptable; NOT the ExCo and the rest of the committees that deal with this. However, any backup assigned must be the last flight of the day for the rest indicated above and the flight chosen for the crewmember travel must be the closest in time (not anytime that day or the day prior, cheapest fare, etc.) to that last flight of the day and must conform to CBA 6.A.6.a (Expeditious Travel).
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
It actually sounds like you are a divider and not a fan of uniting. Negotiation done by YOUR ExCo is not on their behalf, but for EVERYONE. If you want XCA pay, apply to become one. If you want to keep flying abusive PC's according to the App F list, and not advocating AQP and bringing "Atlas Training" into the modern age, fine don't vote for it when it comes out.
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