Official ATP rule - rumors?
08-02-2012, 04:35 AM
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The legislation that Congress passed simply says that a SIC for a part 121 carrier must hold an ATP certificate. This WILL go into effect next summer. The FAA controls the requirements to hold an ATP certificate, so they are proposing some changes to the requirements. They have proposed to have a "restricted" ATP certificate with lower minimums for those who hold an aviation degree or come from the military. This is the big "if" right now.
08-02-2012, 04:51 AM
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08-02-2012, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
i read on another tread that there is a firm date for te start of this rule, with implementation of the atp requirement FIVE YEARS from the start date!!!
i hope congress is ****ed and forces the faa to start the atp requirement 1aug 2013!!!
i hope congress is ****ed and forces the faa to start the atp requirement 1aug 2013!!!
I believe the ATP requirement is 2013, no matter what.
08-02-2012, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
i read on another tread that there is a firm date for te start of this rule, with implementation of the atp requirement FIVE YEARS from the start date!!!
i hope congress is ****ed and forces the faa to start the atp requirement 1aug 2013!!!
i hope congress is ****ed and forces the faa to start the atp requirement 1aug 2013!!!
08-02-2012, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by skylover
Wait. Do you mean the requirement for an ATP, or the various minimum-reductions for military and aviation colleges?
I believe the ATP requirement is 2013, no matter what.
I believe the ATP requirement is 2013, no matter what.
The ATP requirement is hard deadline (federal law, thank congress for that).
The other details are all left up to the FAA so they can stall as long as they want to.
08-02-2012, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The ATP requirement is hard deadline (federal law, thank congress for that).
The other details are all left up to the FAA so they can modify the requirements for an ATP however they need to so theres not a "pilot shortage".
The other details are all left up to the FAA so they can modify the requirements for an ATP however they need to so theres not a "pilot shortage".
Fixed that for you!
09-16-2012, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
It requires some effort and creativity. For instance take two students, one sits in back and watches, doesn't get charged anything. Free learning. Land 50+ miles away and swap, do the same lesson going home. Beneficial for everyone.
There are ways to get the mins if you actually try.
There are ways to get the mins if you actually try.
I guess if I "actually try" I would have figured out how to dismember the second student, shove them in the baggage compartment, and then put them back together to fly us home on the return leg.
I am also finding this 50nm XC the hardest minimum to meet. I try to drag the students 50 miles away when I can, but our scheduling and course syllabus is very strict and does not allow for much in the way of combining lessons and whatnot :(. Also, our FSDO has recently come down on our CFI's for doing cross country flights on lessons that are specified as locals. According to our POI we are in violation of the FAA approved TCO when doing that :rolleyes:
09-16-2012, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Celeste
This is really easy to do in the two-seat trainers that I instruct in.
I guess if I "actually try" I would have figured out how to dismember the second student, shove them in the baggage compartment, and then put them back together to fly us home on the return leg.
I am also finding this 50nm XC the hardest minimum to meet. I try to drag the students 50 miles away when I can, but our scheduling and course syllabus is very strict and does not allow for much in the way of combining lessons and whatnot :(. Also, our FSDO has recently come down on our CFI's for doing cross country flights on lessons that are specified as locals. According to our POI we are in violation of the FAA approved TCO when doing that :rolleyes:
I guess if I "actually try" I would have figured out how to dismember the second student, shove them in the baggage compartment, and then put them back together to fly us home on the return leg.
I am also finding this 50nm XC the hardest minimum to meet. I try to drag the students 50 miles away when I can, but our scheduling and course syllabus is very strict and does not allow for much in the way of combining lessons and whatnot :(. Also, our FSDO has recently come down on our CFI's for doing cross country flights on lessons that are specified as locals. According to our POI we are in violation of the FAA approved TCO when doing that :rolleyes:
09-16-2012, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Celeste
This is really easy to do in the two-seat trainers that I instruct in.
I guess if I "actually try" I would have figured out how to dismember the second student, shove them in the baggage compartment, and then put them back together to fly us home on the return leg.
I am also finding this 50nm XC the hardest minimum to meet. I try to drag the students 50 miles away when I can, but our scheduling and course syllabus is very strict and does not allow for much in the way of combining lessons and whatnot :(. Also, our FSDO has recently come down on our CFI's for doing cross country flights on lessons that are specified as locals. According to our POI we are in violation of the FAA approved TCO when doing that :rolleyes:
I guess if I "actually try" I would have figured out how to dismember the second student, shove them in the baggage compartment, and then put them back together to fly us home on the return leg.
I am also finding this 50nm XC the hardest minimum to meet. I try to drag the students 50 miles away when I can, but our scheduling and course syllabus is very strict and does not allow for much in the way of combining lessons and whatnot :(. Also, our FSDO has recently come down on our CFI's for doing cross country flights on lessons that are specified as locals. According to our POI we are in violation of the FAA approved TCO when doing that :rolleyes:
Does it really say this in your TCO?
The possible issue with XCs is that this very easily gets out of control with instructors that are in it for themselves and not really giving value to the student. Combining stuff and making it an XC is fine, but as an example, if you really stink at a maneuver and have to learn it, it's better to talk about it on the ground and then try another day, rather than think that later on it might be better. On the other hand, with two students, it might be a great way to get some XC time and be just as efficient in terms of maneuvers and such. With some instructors, this is not the case and I've seen students getting the short end of the stick. They didn't know any better at the time unfortunately. Maybe this is another reason why they "don't want to go there", but again, it just seems very odd.
There wasn't a CFI recently "racking up XC" time on every flight was there?
If this is truly from the FAA, why not call up the POI and ask for some clarification?
Going to different airports semi-frequently is one of the best things you can do for experience (of a student).
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