Pilatus801

I started in 2000 and got my PPL in 2001, a few months before 9/11 happened. That was a disastrous event for the industry.

USMCFLYR

You are new to aviation because you are reciting age old arguments which have been explained many times over and are known to the professional aviators. Also, your reciting of the hours of the crew of the Colgan flight without knowing where and how they got those hours again shows that you are either poorly informed as a professional pilot which you claim to be or just a troll among professional pilots.

Pilatus801

I have made no claims to being a professional pilot. I am a GA pilot working my way up. I've researched the Colgan crash plenty and find the 1,500 rule that followed to be a kneejerk/political result. The punishment didn't fit the crime. More than anything the crew were very fatigued, the FO claimed to not be feeling well, lack of sterile cockpit and the CA had like 7 failed prior check rides. And look what the rest of America got as a result.

Me, a troll?? Wow, some of you guys on here are pretty wimpy.

bluesky24

You have 220 hours and working on your instrument and commercial? I’m sure it seems like you have a long way to go to even get a job as a regional First Officer. Then someday upgrade to captain, build PIC to get hired at a legacy or major and finally feel like you are making a decent living doing what you love (maybe you’ll love it still). An avaition career takes a lot of work to get to where you want to be. It sounds like you are rationalizing ways to take shortcuts and find ways to cut corners and jump the line of all the aspiring aviators working digently to reach their career goals and aspirations. Someday if and when you get where you want to be; you will look back and realize how foolish you sound and realize that the 1500 rule has made your career more worthwhile and profitable. Otherwise you will quit because it’s not worth the time and effort required to reach that requirement. Either way the 1500 rule is not your problem...You are

Pilatus801

Its interesting. I come here seeking advice and information from presumably pilots who are much further in their careers than i am. I get some good advice from some which is appreciated. Then you get types like you. It is a major decision for me and i am a person who likes to research and inform myself. I am wrapping up my instrument and next will knock out commercial and likely CFI.

I'm not sure where you get the idea of short cuts. It is what it is. The rules and requirements are there. i may not like some of it, but i cannot short cut it or get around it. I like to come here to chat and gain more knowledge and insight. If that makes me my own worst enemy or my own problem, so be it.

USMCFLYR

Then you are a GA pilot who hasn't done much research and are only mad that you now have to reach 1500 hrs like many others who expect intent gratification.

If you were a professional pilot or could look past your own instant wants - you'd see how good the '1500 hr rule' is for the PROFESSION.

You aren't looking for advice. YOu've come here with a chip on your shoulder complaining about something that is standing in your way and when told that it is a good thing you complain further.

You know nothing about the facts of the business that you are arguing in and you haven't even been around those - or at least listened to them - in all the years you claim to have been around aviation. What exactly have you been doing for since 2001 in the aviation world?

Why don't you go do some research on APC about the Colgan mishap and educate yourself about the pilots specifically and their backgrounds.

Until then - listen more and talk less.

galaxy flyer

What crime? What punishment? Yes, it was a political decision that pilots flying airliners transporting passengers and cargo should be certified as Airline Transport Pilots. No unreasonable, I’d say. Yes, it was a big change from the previous 60 years, but, remember, the hiring standards prior to 2001 were very high. Most new hires had an ATP, several thousand hours or were prior military. In the boom in the RJ world, thousands saw the stars in their eyes and thought—250 hours and I can be a pilot! Take me, I’ll ask about pay and get experience on the job. Well, that’s what we got.

Fatigued, yes; due to their greed in commuting without being responsible on rest.

GF

bluesky24

Your tone and rebuttals comes across as confrontational and blaming. The 1500 rule is important for safety. Before it, pilots were getting hired with 250 hours needing 100 hours of IOE and then a year or two of flying with Captains who basically had to babysit them. Luckily a lot of the Regional Captains had a lot of experience and were able to handle the demands of flying with very green FO’s. Even before the Colgan crash the FAA was riding on the jumpseats of these low time FO’s evaluating them because they were concerned about the safety risk. The 1500 hour rule was long overdue and the Colgan accident was the catalyst to make the change. Not only did it improve safety but it was also beneficial in that it increased wages at the regional level. To try to have a conversation otherwise in my opinion is foolish. Especially when the main reason you have a problem with it is that it is a burden and/or obstacle to your present situation. But it’s easy to make bogus claims that flying around a traffic pattern or straight and level flight for 1500 hours won’t make you a better pilot. I have 10000 hours and am still actively learning and trying to become a better and safer pilot.

Pilatus801

Got it. I'll just shut up now and listen.

Pilatus801

Not true. I am only responding with tone to those who are making false assumptions or being condescending. Read my OP. There is no tone, just opening a topic for conversation. Then some people decide to dress me down or judge me and accuse me of knowing nothing. So i speak up.