I have never seen my records but I think failed checkrides stay there for lifetime. How did FAA find out that Marvin Winslow(may his soul rest in peace) had failed 3 checkrides prior to joining a 121 program if the records were expunged?

 

I think his failures were in a 141 setting, which do not get reported to the FAA. But 141 schools keep records for at least three years, and anyone who knows what they are looking for can easily spot a 141 checkride failure in your logbook.

Actual pink slips stay in your FAA record forever.

 

You are 100 percent correct. I get PRIA requests back from OKC all the time and it never includes 8710 forms. However 8410's for the last 5 years of employers are included.
And yes Actual pinks slips do stay in your FAA record forever however they don't get sent to any employer as part of your PRIA paper work. The FAA/NTSB could use them in the event of an accident investigation. When I became chief pilot for my last employer the local FISDO got my records from OKC. That is the first time I have ever seen all of my FAA forms at once.

 

Also congress and/or the FAA are planning on "improving" the flow of information to employers, (colgan fallout). Expect the PRIA to go back ten years in the near future, and since Colgan claimed they didn't know about Renslow's checkride failures assume that those and any other adverse info in your FAA file will be reported via PRIA.

I suspect they will also start recording 141 checkride (EOC) failures in your FAA record also.

Personally I'm pretty sure Colgan knew damn well about renslow's past, they are just using that as a cop-out...even if Renslow didn't tell them, anyone who has any experience doing interviews can spot a 141 checkride failure in your logbook.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath on any legislation coming out of congress anytime soon on anything, they cannot pass a bathroom break!

 

Don't ask airline HR. They are clueless about these things. Talk to the FAA. They will tell you that the airlines do not get your training information through PRIA. Therefore if the new employer chooses to do the bare minimum, all they will get in your background records is that you are a properly qualified pilot, have no enforcement actions. The second step which they say is up to the airline, and apparently most choose not to, is to check for actual training records. Then they do a company to company training records check wich has nothign to do with the FAA. Another thing they could do is to ask the FAA for your recrods but that will not show any training records of previous employers. So to answer the orgiinal posters questions, no a failed checkride will not show up unless they specifically bother to get that info fromt the prevoius empoyers and the FAA.

 

Is this SabreLiner Jesse from Ca?

 

I have a buddy that got kicked out of an American Eagle interview last week because of a "discrepancy" in his paperwork. Apparently he didnt put down the he failed his CFI checkride and theY found out and gave him the boot from the interview before it even started. Thats just what he told me though. How do you request your records from the FAA?

 

Maybe its just discrepancy in paperwork. e.g flight times didnt add up, employment references etc. They couldn't have found at about his failed checkride until he signed PRIA forms. It takes a while to get the file from FAA.

 

How bad do your times have to be to not add up correctly? I mean are they going into log books w/ a calculator page by page?