PRIA and pilot record request
03-19-2011, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You got lucky...Once.
If you do another PRIA request for another potential employer at a later date there is no guarantee that it won't be processed properly next time. Unless the records in question are somehow missing from your file...
But I think some disciplinary actions are exempt from PRIA, such as non-flight operations stuff.
If you do another PRIA request for another potential employer at a later date there is no guarantee that it won't be processed properly next time. Unless the records in question are somehow missing from your file...
But I think some disciplinary actions are exempt from PRIA, such as non-flight operations stuff.
03-20-2011, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotrob23
so that is the question as well. How about those records? What are a future employer getting? Training and pria only?
As for stuff not covered by PRIA...that all depends on state law and company policy. A medium size or larger company will probably have policies to not disclose anything but employment dates and maybe rehire eligibility due to liability concerns. At a small company it might all depend on the personalities involved...the typical aviation mom-and-pop will usually eagerly violate state employment law to throw you under the bus if they hold a grudge.
03-21-2011, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
PRIA covers training records for sure, and flight-related discipline. Non flight-ops discipline may be exempt from PRIA, look that up on the PRIA website.
As for stuff not covered by PRIA...that all depends on state law and company policy. A medium size or larger company will probably have policies to not disclose anything but employment dates and maybe rehire eligibility due to liability concerns. At a small company it might all depend on the personalities involved...the typical aviation mom-and-pop will usually eagerly violate state employment law to throw you under the bus if they hold a grudge.
As for stuff not covered by PRIA...that all depends on state law and company policy. A medium size or larger company will probably have policies to not disclose anything but employment dates and maybe rehire eligibility due to liability concerns. At a small company it might all depend on the personalities involved...the typical aviation mom-and-pop will usually eagerly violate state employment law to throw you under the bus if they hold a grudge.
03-21-2011, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
I may be wrong, however I believe that PRIA, being a Federally established procedure to obtain information on prospective employees, supersedes State and Local laws.
But where PRIA does not apply, which I think means non-flight ops discipline, the state and local laws do apply. In some states you can only provide dates of employment, in others you can provide rehire eligibility, and some probably have no limits on what an employer can say... other than you can get sued if you lie about somebody, ie slander.
I think if you are in the right state, you could be chronically late and absent for show times, sexually harass your FA's, punch out your CP, and still not have to worry about the details getting out via PRIA...none of that stuff has anything to do with your flying skills, which might be stellar. I think if you get fired, the details behind that are fair game.
03-21-2011, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's correct.
But where PRIA does not apply, which I think means non-flight ops discipline, the state and local laws do apply. In some states you can only provide dates of employment, in others you can provide rehire eligibility, and some probably have no limits on what an employer can say... other than you can get sued if you lie about somebody, ie slander.
I think if you are in the right state, you could be chronically late and absent for show times, sexually harass your FA's, punch out your CP, and still not have to worry about the details getting out via PRIA...none of that stuff has anything to do with your flying skills, which might be stellar. I think if you get fired, the details behind that are fair game.
But where PRIA does not apply, which I think means non-flight ops discipline, the state and local laws do apply. In some states you can only provide dates of employment, in others you can provide rehire eligibility, and some probably have no limits on what an employer can say... other than you can get sued if you lie about somebody, ie slander.
I think if you are in the right state, you could be chronically late and absent for show times, sexually harass your FA's, punch out your CP, and still not have to worry about the details getting out via PRIA...none of that stuff has anything to do with your flying skills, which might be stellar. I think if you get fired, the details behind that are fair game.
03-21-2011, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 4castclr
what is discipline, is a write up discipline (crm issues, no shows)?
CRM Writeup: Yes
No Show Writeup: Probably Not
If you got an "informal" verbal warning, and nothing was entered into your record you might be clean. But in any professional organization, a verbal warning is still supposed to be documented in your file per company policy. In some cases a CP might just chat with you and make no entry to avoid harming your career. But I would not assume that's the case unless he told you so.
In many states, you should be able to view your company discipline record. You may not be entitled to a copy though.
04-04-2011, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lori Clark
Nope, you're right Rick. Only certificate resulting events are reported to the FAA.
So just to clarify here...the FAA forms 8060-10 and 8060-11 that I am filling out are for training records and violations but will not show checkride failures?
I had one 121 ATP type failure a few years ago and a failure many years ago on my Instrument ride and these have been giving me a lot of worry about my potential to be hired. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to hide anything from prospective employers but at the same time if they are not going to find out about it through normal processes I really don't want to go volunteering information that might hinder my chances either.
Are there other record checks/ sources that are commonly used by potential employers to get this information?
Regardless thanks to everyone for the great info and insight (especially Lori and Rick!)
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04-05-2011, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by OPS CHECK GUD
So just to clarify here...the FAA forms 8060-10 and 8060-11 that I am filling out are for training records and violations but will not show checkride failures?
I had one 121 ATP type failure a few years ago and a failure many years ago on my Instrument ride and these have been giving me a lot of worry about my potential to be hired. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to hide anything from prospective employers but at the same time if they are not going to find out about it through normal processes I really don't want to go volunteering information that might hinder my chances either.
Are there other record checks/ sources that are commonly used by potential employers to get this information?
Regardless thanks to everyone for the great info and insight (especially Lori and Rick!)
-OCG
I had one 121 ATP type failure a few years ago and a failure many years ago on my Instrument ride and these have been giving me a lot of worry about my potential to be hired. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to hide anything from prospective employers but at the same time if they are not going to find out about it through normal processes I really don't want to go volunteering information that might hinder my chances either.
Are there other record checks/ sources that are commonly used by potential employers to get this information?
Regardless thanks to everyone for the great info and insight (especially Lori and Rick!)
-OCG
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04-05-2011, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by OPS CHECK GUD
So just to clarify here...the FAA forms 8060-10 and 8060-11 that I am filling out are for training records and violations but will not show checkride failures?
I had one 121 ATP type failure a few years ago and a failure many years ago on my Instrument ride and these have been giving me a lot of worry about my potential to be hired. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to hide anything from prospective employers but at the same time if they are not going to find out about it through normal processes I really don't want to go volunteering information that might hinder my chances either.
Are there other record checks/ sources that are commonly used by potential employers to get this information?
Regardless thanks to everyone for the great info and insight (especially Lori and Rick!)
-OCG
I had one 121 ATP type failure a few years ago and a failure many years ago on my Instrument ride and these have been giving me a lot of worry about my potential to be hired. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to hide anything from prospective employers but at the same time if they are not going to find out about it through normal processes I really don't want to go volunteering information that might hinder my chances either.
Are there other record checks/ sources that are commonly used by potential employers to get this information?
Regardless thanks to everyone for the great info and insight (especially Lori and Rick!)
-OCG
04-05-2011, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
An ATP type ride and an instrument checkride are certificate events, those will be in your FAA records. I'm not clear if pink slips are automatically reported via PRIA, but an employer who wants to go the trouble can get almost anything in your FAA record with a FOIA request.
I had assumed as much but was just wanting some outside (and more knowledgeable/informed than myself) input on this. Thanks Rick and freightdogadam for confirming this for me!
-OCG
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