Those of us junior to you think that is a wonderful idea sled! How can we help?

 

So would a year of Chief Pilot experience at a tiny 135 operator count toward "go-getter" status? I have 15 years of 121 (pax and cargo) time plus 7 years 135/91 charter/corporate but it has mostly all been line-dolt status other than my brief Chief Pilot stint a few years ago.

Also, I had a speeding ticket in 1989...does that help? ; )

 

Took me three years to get the call. My credentials are somewhat less impressive than yours. I've heard that we hired pilots last year with total times from the mid 2000s to the mid 20,000s, and aged mid 20s to late 50s. So its not just one thing they're looking for. Check all the boxes you can. Get more LORs. They're free, so don't skimp.

 

Hey, that was me.

But isn't there a difference between a line guy who goes home for his days off and plays x-box vs a guy who is active with his kids as a coach, or PTO, or some other community involvement? I think that kind of activity is hard to express on the app, maybe something in the awards and achievements box? I felt that it was well viewed on my resume and in the face to face interview. But the onus is certainly upon the applicant to figure out how to sell that to the interview board.

And volunteer for the union. You don't have to chair a committee or be MEC grand poobah. You don't need to spend tons of time on it. Just get involved in something that is important or interesting to you. Not because it builds your resume, but because its important to you.

 

The biggest thing I took away from BK's hiring briefs at NGPA and WAI this year was that if you lie on your app, they will find out and you will be escorted out of the building and asked to never come back. DUIs, speeding or other traffic tickets, busted checkrides, whatever. They don't care. They just want someone who's honest and willing to admit their faults.

He said WAY too many people have been gaming the system and checking every box and omitting things just to get the call, and when they do they go back and un-check it all and add in their speeding tickets or whatever else. When they select someone for an interview, they take a "snap shot" of their app so when that person comes in they compare it to what their current app looks like. If it doesn't match....well, thanks for playing.

I wanted to raise my hand and ask him what he thought that says about the current hiring process; that so many feel the need to cheat on their apps just to get a call, and when he's looking out on a room full of qualified people dressed in their interview best, but I decided against it....

 

I knew of a guy who started flying in 1980. The copyright date on his logbook was 1983. They asked if it was his original logbook, and he said "yes" (thinking they were asking if all the flight time was accurately portrayed).

They pointed out that it couldn't be his original logbook since the dates didn't match.

He tried to explain that he had transferred his flight time over from small books to a larger "master log"….but they thought they caught him lying, so it was over.

Don't give them any reason to think you aren't being totally honest.

 

FWIW, I have personally witnessed a new hire pilot being escorted out of the building during indoc due to a misrepresentation on the application that was not caught by the background check(s) until after he resigned from his previous job and started at UAL.

Oops.

 

What's the trigger to get your app scored again, less than 1 year since it was originally scored, if significant changes have been made?
For example, if you weren't actively flying back then, but you are now jet current kind of thing?

 

If you do a monthly or bi-monthly update, your app will get looked at again.

 

Is an update of flight times enough considering that isn't part of the united addendum but just the main app?