Thedude

I never said I was at EK.
The comment was going from a widebody to a major.
I spent just shy of 10 yrs on widebodies, BTW.
You are inferring things that I never said nor have eluded too.

Strike 3.

Sniper66

Only 2 guys from EK direct to UAL
Good relative connection inside


4 others had been hired either at 08 and were in the pool or had some stops at a Natonial airline or cargo

Total EK 5 or 6 I think got hired

LearJockey

I like this thread.

It's amusing...

busdriver12

This thread reminds me of some of the college threads I have read through while my kids were applying. "I haven't applied yet, but which college should I choose? Harvard, Princeton, or Yale? Tell me the pros and cons of each."

The sarcasm in some of these answers is actually quite useful. You ought to be able to get the point that these carriers are still difficult to get hired by, and it is unlikely that you will get to choose between multiple carriers at the same time.

If you end up having that problem and needing to make a decision, research it at that time. Otherwise, you're pretty much fantasizing. Not that there's anything wrong with dreaming.

zippinbye

Uhhhh, which carriers do sim evals as part of the interview process these days? (see earlier reference to hiring practice changes I the past ten years). If you're talking about making it through initial training, I'd love to see the stats that support your stated concern. I've had a difficult time finding experienced widebody pilots who aren't decent sticks.

The Dominican

Stick and rudder skills have nothing to do with what you have been doing (flying or not) in the past ten years and everything to do with what you did on your first ten....., the formation of your skills is done at the beginning of your career.

Having been envolved in training and evaluating pilots most of my career I've seen examples of this over and over again....., if a person has tons of experience handflying and very little to no automation in his or her formative first years....., even if they haven't flown at all for the past ten years they will have no problem going through training...., I've seen constant examples of this over the years.

Packrat

Absolutely. I recently sat several sim periods (including the type rating ride) with an EK pilot who has several thousand hours in long range wide body flying. The guy hand flew like a champ.

Dolphinflyer

Unless it was for an RJ Type Rating and the period included a simulcast of Guard infractions requiring immediate action responses during the entire sim period, your EK pilot will get no respect here.

pilotrob23

To the original post, I think the best response is the college situation stated above. Unless you want to go somewhere specific, I personally would put your application in everywhere and see who calls. I know of at least 5 of us that have been hired here at Southwest, some at United, Alaska, Delta, etc. You have some great experience under your belt, and anyone that says your "hand flying" skills aren't up to par, has no idea what they are talking about. I have spoken to many buddies still looking to come home, but a lot have made a great transition already back here with the majors. Do your homework, types of flying, bases, pay, etc, but obviously getting the interview in the first place with any of them is the first step. Best of luck in your search. We have been home for four months, and I am living in base, life is good. No more 2 a.m. India turns and watching sports at a reasonable time is a nice thing.

Andy

Many, many, many studies (both old and new) are out there that discuss the effect of automation on hand flying skills.

Here's just one recent study: https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/defaul...t%5E1-7-16.pdf

Page 11:
Further, studies have concluded that pilots may overestimate their manual flying skills. For example, the Flight Safety Foundation’s 2010 study evaluated the manual flying skills of 30 experienced U.S. commercial airline pilots. While 80 percent of the pilots reported that they typically hand fly the aircraft below 10,000 feet, the pilots’ aggregate scores for manual flying maneuvers fell below FAA’s standards for these pilots. Despite the pilots’ stated manual flight experience, they were not able to meet the standards using only basic instrumentation that would be available if an automation failure occurred during flight.