lineflyer4life

Guilty by association

Kougarok

I've given it some thought. ABX Air had a picket line. Some ATI pilots walked it with us, for which I am forever grateful. Some ATI pilots crossed it and waved. The crossers are scabs pure and simple.

That's my position and I am sticking with it. I've not been riding the ATI jump seat on the off chance I might have to ask a scab for a ride. I have the names of the guys who crossed and they're not welcome on my jump seat. The rest of the ATI pilots are more then welcome.

I try to be as professional as possible in the cockpit and wont tolerate any radio calls about scabs.

Code Red

Please share the names so they can be added to the scab list.

Jason605

That right there probably sums it up for all of us. Now what needs to happen educate the ones thinking about applying there to keep them enabling the leadership and help stop the whipsaw.

b707guy

Not many judges order legally-striking workers back to work. That right there really sums it up for ALL of us here. That's where the education is needed. There were legitimate complaints with schedules and vacation and those violations were also ordered fixed as part of the process, but the work stoppage aspect was, plain and simple, not legal. There are no scabs at ATI. Not flying the line, anyway. But go right ahead and share your little "list" amongst yourselves, because it'll have all the credibility in the real world of the fifth-grade school girls' list of boys they think are cute. (Incidentally, I was never on that list, either, to my knowledge.)

Do what you want with your jump seat. It's yours. For me, if I were to be approached by an ABX (or any 1224) pilot who needed a jumpseat, I'd extend the professional courtesy, provided the seat's not taken, if for no other reason than to recognize the intestinal and testicular or ovarian fortitude clearly being shown. Just don't cop an attitude. Plain and simple.

You want to stop the whipsaw? Get back to negotiations and slug it out LEGALLY. RLA kind of stuff. Set a new and higher bar for our ACMI industry like K4 has done. Like the ATI pilot group is in the process of doing right now. I hope for EVERYONE's sake here that we're successful, too. Or ABX. Or Atlas. We ALL have a lot at stake.

Jason605

2 of the three issues were settled before the judges ruling. The 3rd then was a minor dispute. Strike was legal.

Kougarok

I am willing to do that if someone can tell me how to put it on the master scab list. Which seemed pretty outdated the last time I looked at it.

b707guy

Seriously, think twice before you do that K. Copied directly (text bolded for emphasis) from the ruling, issued Dec. 7:

"The Court's conversion of the TRO into a preliminary injunction is not a "cudgel to secure [ABX] unfair bargaining leverage over the Union and its pilots." (Doc. 21 at 8). The TRO simply reaffirms that there is no evidence that ABX is currently violating the status quo with respect to the three discrete issues addressed in this case and therefore prevents the pilots from striking with respect thereto. The preliminary injunction is not something for Plaintiff "to hide behind...to avoid having to resolve a dispute and a staffing crisis." The preliminary injunction does not give ABX any leverage or power with respect to resolving these and/or any other disputes between the parties; it simply reaffirms that the pilots cannot strike with respect to the three minor disputes discussed herein. As this Court has said ad nauseam since November 7, 2016 (Case No. 1:16cv1039, Doc. 16), the parties need to focus their time and resources on arbitrating their disputes instead of litigating in this forum."

As I've said, our MEC called it, despite zero advanced notice, ALPA National called it, and the Courts called it after deliberation. The strike was not legal. Do what you want with your jumpseat. Knock it off with the name-calling BS.

b707guy

Good call deleting that, as it violated protocol. And with second hand ERRONEOUS sources. Well done.

MikeyL

Perhaps an ATI pilot could check these names. My sources say they crossed the ABX picket line on the first night of the strike. I believe there was two more.

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