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Originally Posted by 303flyboy
(Post 2404975)
"The mind reels...
(...at the idea of agreeing to anything more than an 18 hour duty day.) I shouldn't even have to clarify, but apparently so. Why should a human be expected to last longer than the fuel in the tanks?" This one ^ absolutely wins the internet. Amen friend. We at K4 fly to a host of **** holes around the planet. Usually, once. So, is it better to drop off crew A in said **** hole and figure out how to get them back to civilization? And, figure out how to get crew B into said **** hole? Or, just double crew it? Plenty of bunk space for whoever needs to nap. Lots of good food. And, the collective double crew basically get double pay versus flying half the trip and deadheading in or out. Regardless of the assorted opines that have been left on this thread, the large majority of the business here is on demand charter. So, this is actually a quality of life issue for our pilots. We would much rather be moving for money than trying to figure out if it is safe to eat or drink the offerings in some miserable corner of the earth. |
Originally Posted by orka
(Post 2404933)
Right On! And this jerk Bockrain with the chip on his shoulder who joined APC in July sounds just like the jerk Screwed with the chip on his shoulder who hasn't been on this board since then.
Now I am just hoping K4 pilots get their wish and get the hell out of 1224. Would it be better to have some solidarity among cargo pilots. Absolutely! But it is not worth having a bunch of weak pathetic losers dragging down the entire local. |
Originally Posted by LineUpNWait
(Post 2404883)
With upgrades on the 747 at around the 3 year mark, there's a big difference between a 20, 12, 3 year or a brand new 747 captain leaving for Ups/FedEx. I really wish that you would include that in your comment.
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
(Post 2405027)
Atlas lost an 18 year 747 Captain in June. We can add, subtract, divide and multiply...
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Originally Posted by ocskyguy
(Post 2404977)
My Colorado acquaintance (in the cyber sense), let me try to make this understandable...
We at K4 fly to a host of **** holes around the planet. Usually, once. So, is it better to drop off crew A in said **** hole and figure out how to get them back to civilization? And, figure out how to get crew B into said **** hole? Or, just double crew it? Plenty of bunk space for whoever needs to nap. Lots of good food. And, the collective double crew basically get double pay versus flying half the trip and deadheading in or out. Regardless of the assorted opines that have been left on this thread, the large majority of the business here is on demand charter. So, this is actually a quality of life issue for our pilots. We would much rather be moving for money than trying to figure out if it is safe to eat or drink the offerings in some miserable corner of the earth. |
Originally Posted by Bockrain
(Post 2404916)
You say your working conditions are better than brown's? That's laughable. If K4's working conditions and pay are so great, how come K4 Captains leave for brown and no brown pilots ever leave for K4?
You are stuck in the Willow Run Vortex. You did get some good FO's though.... |
Originally Posted by 303flyboy
(Post 2404975)
"The mind reels...
(...at the idea of agreeing to anything more than an 18 hour duty day.) I shouldn't even have to clarify, but apparently so. Why should a human be expected to last longer than the fuel in the tanks?" This one ^ absolutely wins the internet. Amen friend. |
My OC friend, point well taken :)
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Originally Posted by lionflyer
(Post 2405213)
You geniuses realize these are duty limits for double crews (4 pilots). DW wants 18-20hrs max no matter what. It will decimate the majority of business K4 does. There's plenty of time for pilots to get a good nap in and get paid for it versus airlining and overnighting in places like Kabul. Not one pilot wants what DW wants. And I think joining ALPA would be stupid.
Yet other carriers go to the same destinations and they do it without 30 hr days or overnighting. Or did you guys sign a contract that had shiny pay rates but no decent work rules and now you have to work ridiculously long days to make decent money? |
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