I second the motion!

I was reading and considering your thoughts, until you posted this one. Sadly you feel so threatened by this exploratory gesture from a K4 pilot that you resort to name calling. Why are you so concerned by this from this little airline?

I thought this was a belated April fool's joke until I received the letter in the mail. When I saw that DP is behind this idea, I had to wonder what his real motive is. Working in building 2 he may be trying to get in deep over at building 1. Think about the "gift" this would be to management by having us splintered more than ever. Decertifying is the main piece of the "divide and conquer" puzzle and would give him management cred like no other. There are rats on the ship, no doubt, but instead of jumping ship it just need to be steered back on course. For us K4 people remember: strength in numbers with a unified ramp. For non K4 people: please don't think the majority of us are on board this lunatic attempt at jumping off. Now, at least, Doug has a good nickname: "MOAB" Mother Of All Bad ideas. Look at ATI's weakened position now. Also, read "enough is enough" in the Spirit forum. No sane person would want a part of that action...

Gents,

We at K4 delt with the long, hard and fought battle of our contract. The K4 pilot group did not vote this contract based on money alone. Its the complete opposite. And I challenge any one of you that think otherwise to go compare our old contract to the new.

If we were to make the switch to ALPA, there would be no whipsaw and we would "HONOR" everyones picket line.

I would like for the Atlas pilots on here to answer a couple of questions, not being condescending......

1. When Atlas decertifyed ALPA to make the move to teamsters, you used your democratic process and your team voted to leave ALPA and move to the Teamsters. Did you catch this much flak over it? Us moving to another union means nothing. Now if we were pushing to become non-union, then this would be a problem. Would you agree?

2. The word whipsaw keeps coming up, What about when Atlas was awarded the DHL 767 from ABX? The ABX pay was much higher than Atlas and now you had ABX pilots losing their seats due to this. Is this not a whipsaw? ABX and Atlas are both teamsters.

I would like to see all the DHL/Amazon carriers with great industry contract. I want all of us to enjoy the fruits of our labor and provide for our families. Understand that we are all individual carriers on this ramp, and each group need to work on its own individual contract they see fit. When you look at the mainline carriers, none of them have the exact same language in their contracts. I challenge the Atlas group to channel their energy towards fighting for what is best for them, and not worry about us here at K4. And we will have your backs no matter what.

....lest we forget not one pilot from that transaction went to UPS. That was an asset, slot, and route purchase, no personnel.

What type of management cred are you talking about? I know DP very well and he is a great guy that would never steer anyone down primrose path. He's always been active in the union and a straight shooter. Divide and conquer? How? We are all different carriers on that ramp.......if that is not enough division, then maybe we have a different view of division. Strength comes with unity regardless of who represents you.

This won't gain any traction and will be over shortly.

UPS purchased international routes and operating authorities from Challenge, not the airplanes, the certificate, or pilots. They purchased Emery and did not take their pilots, either. Their history does not not involve one purchase where they brought along pilots, so that is just one part of your argument involving Astar pilots that falls far, far short of being accurate.

For someone who has apparently been around as long as you have, you should know your history better than that.

My thoughts exactly.

Only thing left at K4 are a collective suffering from severe masochism! Stockholm syndrome, without a doubt.

Keep on improving upon that obese pear-shape physique you've got going on with the abundant supply of gourmet catering (not like you can actually rest on those disgusting hot bunks). If fatigue doesn't get some of you killed while on the job then your over-tasked cardiovascular system surely will sooner rather than later.

Farkee would be proud of you all. Tell us, how's it feel to have Connie as your pimp? You best fall in line with what he wants or else he'll slap you around.

We do fewer legs than that and because, as you know, the on-the-ground times over there are what eats up the clock, that is probably why your days are so much longer than ours.

Since the longer days are what you all voted on, I guess that's what you wanted, so, to each his own.

From an industry standpoint, I would have thought that most pilots, especially ACMI carrier pilots, would want to improve their QOL by shortening their work days. Obviously there is grey area here as no one would want a 48 hour day (well maybe no one!) and we could agree that a day couldn't be much shorter than the endurance of a long haul freighter (16 - 18 hours?), so each group should find their own limits. We have 18 extendable to 20. You want longer for whatever reason.

That said, if DW was fighting for shorter days, I doubt it was to screw you out of anything but fatiguingly long days. If it is pay that was the driving factor, there are many other contractual protections that could have been proposed that would have increased the bottom line without the ultra long days.

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