Quite possibly, you maybe surprised. Put DW in the hot seat before at a GMM why not again. Was fun watching him squirm, avoid the question and try to change subject :D

2 criteria for me.:

1. Am I going to be near a phone.

2. Will DW allow the question to be asked or will I be a repeat of the December meeting where he deferred all questions until later. We had lots of questions about why we were not being allowed to vote on our TA.

If the above items are met favorably you can count on me asking the questions. If number 2 is not met then the situation sort of speaks for itself.

Perfect I get to move up another number.

Great response from a child, not so much from a mature adult. Sad

Dude, I am not whiffing about anything.

The contract we have is because of our negating team, not the Teamsters. If you were to do a lookback when we were still under negotiations there were a lot of people that were bashing DW, but I was a staunch supporter. As it turns out my faith was misplaced and I was WRONG, and subsequent to this new contract I have learned some things that lead me to believe a change would be a step forward.

You are entitled to your opinion and I fully respect your right to disagree with mine, however, from my perspective there is not any other pilot group at any other company that has the best interest of K4 pilots as their priority. I understand you believe it is in your best interest for us to remain a Teamster, what’s good for you and your airline is great, but what was done to us was wrong. Don’t misunderstand this statement, but I really don’t care about you or your airline, all I care about is us and our pilot group. You do what you must for your guys, and I will support my guys.

I did not start this movement, but I fully support it.

I don't misunderstand that- lots of guys like you out there and it's a big part of why our industry is a mess. The 'one ramp one union' movement is probably idealistic, given most people's short sighted and selfish interests. I don't really begrudge people for holding views like yours, but it is pretty disappointing when the 1224 movement seems to be working to some extent, and you guys were the first to really benefit from it only to turn your back on it (at least some of you, I'm pretty sure you are a minority- I guess we will see). The argument that 1224 had nothing to do with your contract (and in fact held you back) is horse ****, sorry.

After talking to some pilots over there this seems to be a null issue with little support. Some speculate its simply to get some rules changed at IBT.

Exactly.....

Plus the guy behind this stupidity lives local, doesn't fly the line, and is in the sim. Instructor jobs at this company are a cash cow. Yet no matter how good it is, or how much money we make people will still *****.

Some people need a reality check.

I figured he was either a troll or just a lone wolf idiot... not sure why I was answering him. I'm going to recuse myself from this conversation haha. Keep up the good work, guys.

So you pick and choose which part of my post to respond to, very nice way to make your point. I’ll try once more to see if you are paying attention.

Throughout the course of our negotiations I was a STAUNCH SUPPORTER of DW and the Teamsters. When you say there are “lots of guys like you out there and it’s a big part of why our industry is a mess”, you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. There are few people that support the union more than I do, but when that union stabs me in the back they lose my support.

I would very much like an answer to this question: Why are Atlas pilots picking up open time? The selfishness you refer to is a bit of a joke, myself as well as most of the Kalitta pilots DID NOT pick up open time. For well over two years we denied ourselves an opportunity to work OT, because our union’s positions was, do not work on days off. Can you say you have stepped up to the plate and not flown any days off? Please spare me your outrage it is a bit of a joke given the fact Atlas pilots continue to pick up open time. If you want a contract stop flying on days off, and don’t worry about what K4 pilots do or don’t do.

Your statement of “one ramp one union movement is probably idealistic, given most people’s short sighted and selfish interest”. Was I short sighted, absolutely not, was I being selfish when I did not work on days off, you are again way off base. I will reiterate for a third time for your benefit, I was a staunch supporter of the Teamsters. You do see the key word here, WAS, as in no longer, as in the honeymoon is over, as in don’t let the door hit you in the backside.

I completely understand where you are coming from, and unless I am totally off base your concern appears to be, if and when we break away from the Teamsters it weakens your position. Perhaps more thought should have gone into supporting our negotiating team as opposed to conspiring against us. Where was “your” outrage when we were being denied the opportunity to vote on our contract? Did “you” care when you found out why our contract was delayed six months? I don’t recall seeing anything on APC from “you” or other pilots being upset with the Teamsters for what they did to hinder our vote.

If the majority of the pilot group decides to stay with Teamsters so be it, they will have my support. On the other hand, if we decide to move forward to ALPA I believe it will be a move in the right direction. Let’s be honest, I am not going to convince you a move to ALPA is a step forward, and you are not going to be able to persuade me that staying with Teamsters is the right move.

So I’m either a troll or a lone wolf idiot. I guess this makes you a Teamsters representative or an individual that is not capable of holding an adult conversation. I would like to think it is the former, but based upon your rush to the gutter I suspect it could just as easily be the latter.