midwest1992

The decision is simple. Ask yourself. In three years do you want to once again not only negotiate a contract with your company but also have to negotiate and fight for your right to vote on a new updated contract with your union too?

Our would you like to negotiate with management come to a amicable agreement and be able to present it to our pilot group for a vote with no union sabatoge.

The choice is yours.

maxjet

No we don’t

Kougarok

Joint 1224 Executive Board. One member from each airline...

WhaleWrangler

Nothing has been presented from the ALPA pushers that say ALPA will even accept us if we decertify, we are expected to vote on a very dangerous gamble. Furthermore they have not furnished anything, either from them or from ALPA as to why things will be so rosey if we move over.

One thing is for sure there is an extreme danger of being left in the wilderness at which point why have a contract as the company will do whatever they want and tell us "how it's going to be".

One thing is for sure DP and the rest of his band, whom it might be added have also said they have no interest in running for office afterwards, ask yourself "Why fight for the change and not want to then help with the change?", better be prepared for a lawsuit(s) if their scheme leaves us unrepresented and harms any individual from the outcome.

maxjet

You are trying to tell me that the 1224 executive board decided that our TA was lowering the bar and held it back from a vote? Sorry but that is not the way it was told to me by our representatives. If you would in fact be right on this, that would be all the more reason for us to get out.

Please provide data that supports your argument that the 1224 executive board and not DW himself voted to hold the TA back for the K4 Pilots

CallmeJB

Fixed. Oh, wait, oops! That's from 3.5 years in the future.

Yeah, that's how ALPA works, too. The President signs all contracts.

jhugz

Mind boggling...

maxjet

This was posted recently by a man I respect in the industry.
1. ALPA does business 99% of the time with one vote one airline.This means that votes dont include your big or little Crew counts. In 10 years of ALPA work I saw "role call votes" less than a hand full of times. During role calls the large 2-4 groups can split anyway allowing the small groups to make the final choice.
2. ALPA not taking us. This is really an unfair statement to make about K4 and ALPA. Who knows,maybe 1224 is making contact with ALPA to try this un-democratic strategy . It will fall on deaf ears. Holding a group back by burning exit bridge is reason alone to want to leave.
3.ALPA has had some swings and misses thats true. In the last 20 years we have seen approx 50 bankruptcys and shut downs with cataclysmic terrorist attacks and a fuel price spike that damn near shut down the industry. Teamsters or ANY Union would not be able to alter the unprecedented negatives .
4. Every Pilot group that is not ALPA is riding the coat tails of the great work they are doing- split drug samples,FFDO, Known Crewmember,ASAP, the list is to long to complete.
5. Large airlines limiting career advancement of smaller ones...This can happen via scope etc. ALPA pilots are no different than Teamster pilots ,they want to do as much flying as they can for each members company. WE did the same limiting to scope for Kalitta Charters 2 pilots... Anyone want to see our flying go to K2 ? Its a fine line of protection vs Brotherhood. Always has been always will be.
6. I have no Idea why Atlas leadership has acted the way they have. For the EXCO Chair to take a swipe at Scott in his last communication in the first paragraph is unprecedented and had full vetting approval from all sources -1224 wide...
7. Going to our own local or having Atlas split into a local is just not going to happen. Dan Wells started a fresh term yesterday with a stronger slate than he had last time. I would think we will ALWAYS have someone from Atlas at the top. I dont blame them,we would do the same thing with 1700 votes.
8. If all you care about is our next contract ,1224 has every intention of opening each section, a 5-6 year journey as we have seen. Hey each section needs some sprucing up thats true,but at what cost? If we open 5-7 sections the time compression could be much shorter. Still lots of heavy lifting,but less change in less critical sections could mean short cut to new CBA on big items.
9. Teamsters is a Damn fine group I have been proud to be a part of. Paul Rutter is a great and talented young man ! In my view he is quietly becoming a legend . I also think very highly of Capt. Bourne. We sadly have hit a brick wall with respect to 1224 structure that isnt going to change.
10.Very few times do you hit a brick wall and stand up to a better option. ALPA has better everything than Teamsters. A-Z its set up by Pilots for Pilots.

maxjet

Brush up on the rules please. Yes the president signs but most importantly, the president does not make the decision alone.

maxjet

The reason that they have indicated this, is not at all as you have assumed. It is to let people know that they support the newly ELECTED personnel. ****.

Perhaps I am wrong but you seem to think there is some hidden agenda behind this. This is about getting a level and fair playing field for our members. No hidden agenda. I actually have nothing to do with this drive, I just see it for whT it is and support the move if necessary. As the days pass I am seeing more and more that it may be necessary to leave.