zerozero

I'm an Atlas pilot who's been around long enough to have been both an ALPA & IBT member. The difference is night and day.

It's true, the individuals in leadership positions are the most important part of the equation for DAY TO DAY running of the union.

But when the SHTF, you really need the whole organization at that point and I'm here to say, ALPA won't be there in 5 years when you guys really need them.

But again, discussion going in circles. I'm done. Good luck.

newb2

You are entitled to your opinion; perhaps this format is more appropriate.

1. True or false: After we received a letter from the Teamsters last week they attempted to claim it was from our Exco. False it was from Teamsters
2. True or false: Dan Wells had his own agenda which delayed our contract. True
3. True or false: After the debacle with DW Teamsters took action to resolve the issue. False Teamsters did nothing, just ask the Omni pilots what DW is doing to them.
4. True or false: Teamsters is the only organization that can represent us. False
5. True or false: A significant number of pilots want to replace Teamsters with ALPA. True, this is why a vote is coming.
6. How many pilots does Teamsters represent? I don’t know the answer to this but I would surmise it is somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000.
7 How many pilots does ALPA represent? Over 59,000
8. True or false: ALPA can actively solicit from a carrier already represented by a union. False, it is illegal. Teamsters knows this, our Exco knows this and so does ALPA
9. True or false: The language in our new contract does a good job protecting us. False, it is full of holes which requires mediation to resolve. The reason the contract was written this way is because it is revenue generating for the Teamsters
10. True or false: The Kalitta Exco has a fiduciary responsibility to the Teamsters. True, which is why we received another letter yesterday.

So you believe my commentary was emotional, personal and paranoid, really I suggest you look in the mirror before you make that statement. You have an objective and so do I. Just because you believe that ALPA would not do a good job representing us does not make it true. My personal experience is contrary to your opinion, but you are entitled to your opinion. I don’t want a union that will dictate terms to our negotiating committee, I want our negotiating committee free to negotiate the way they see fit.

I appreciate your feedback, we all can learn from different perspectives.

maxjet

I disagree on the future. I agree on the rest of your sentiments. Organization Leadership is what us and Omni are fighting.

I do agree however, on your other point. I think it is time for me to spend my time on more productive things. From what I hear (I am in a little bubble here) I think we will be saying goodbye. I am very proud of our pilots. Unlike me, most of them seem to have looked past all the propaganda and made a tentative decision based on the facts as they personally know them to be. I need to be more like them. I wish you luck in you endeavors, fly safe my friend.

catching waves

Just let zerozero worry about his house. And all the other guys that don’t work for Kalitta as well. I’ve never come across a group so inclined to constantly force their own views down another pilot groups throat. Yeah it’s fine to have an opinion on something but this constant barrage, name calling, self entitlement, or an air of superiority that just reeks of desperation.

We are two seperate companies in competition with one another. I was amazed not to long ago while in OBBI when an atlas crew came over to my aircraft begging for some spare parts because they were broke down hard. The ride along mechanic told them to pound sand. Atlas likes to under bid us all the time on contracts, that they ultimately can’t operate and then they hire us to fullfile the contract obligation. One simple word, competition.

I can understand how Atlas guys on this website are using the “unified Teamsters message” as a tool to try and impress on us how we need to stay unified etc etc. I can appreciate that. But why don’t they just start their own thread on this topic somewhere else. I know it’s just the same few guys spouting the same garbage over and over. I hate to tell you this but, nobody at Kalitta cares what you think. You dont work for us. You work for a competitor. So worry about your own jobs.

The vote is going to happen. And, you’re just gonna have to learn to live with it. Personally I’m so fed up with Teamsters and their crap. Spent way to many years being misrepresented by these dingalings.

Whale Driver

True or False? K4's Exco signed the 1224 agreement to NOT undercut other 1224 CBA sections. Why haven't you (K4) left yet? Goodbye.

No Land 3

Undercut a wet dream you mean? We raised the bar for you.

CargoPirate

Really. The crew came over to your aircraft and begged for spare parts?

Man you are really good at making **** up!

catching waves

I know reality sucks when it’s true. Not making stuff up.

Four pilots. One load master. And one ride along mechanic. We all saw it. Bossman (both Connie and PS would’ve flipped out if we would’ve let our parts and equipment be used by a competitor. was the response and someone would’ve had to go to yip to do the carpet dance. I suppose we could’ve sold them parts and charged by the hr for the use of the FME but where would we be if we needed that stuff?)

Does atlas not carry a fly away kit with 2,000-3,000 lbs worth of spares? Does atlas have ride along mechanics?

742Dash

Yes and yes.

sky jet

Kalitta like all airlines share parts all the time. I have had FME's share and receive parts with other airlines many times. If Atlas or any other company needs parts they only need contact K4 maintenance control where a decision will be made as to if they can spare the parts and at what price if they can. If this happened as you say I believe someone was trying to do something outside of the normal communications.