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K4 and Omni have Business class or better for Domestic flights over 3+30? When did this happen? I was pretty sure it only applied for international for them.

4dalulz

§ 117.1 specifically applies to all (domestic, flag, supplemental) § 121 passenger operations... § 117.1 lays it out in a pretty cut and dry way.

OPSPEC A117 authorizes augmented operations for airlines operating under § 117 - be that a passenger operation which is FORCED to operate under § 117 by regulation, or a non-passenger operation which may CHOOSE to operate under § 117.

§ 117.1 (d) lays out the "carve-in" where any otherwise exempt § 121 certificate holder may choose to operate under § 117.

JohnBurke

Which is irrelevant, as this thread is about western global airlines, not omni, and WGA does NOT utilize OpSpec A117, nor observe Part 117 rest, flight, and duty regulation.

threeighteen

you're correct about omni for sure, not sure about K4 tho.

80Z28Dude

Keep checking back. The Chief Pilot’s newsletter in December mentioned the recent improvements and said that we can expect more good things to come in 2022. The rumor floating around right now is Business class seating is coming. Right now, the majority of our commercial positioning flights are within the US. You go to Memphis, Chicago, Huntsville, Estero, Philadelphia. If you live in Florida, the longest you’ll you’ll probably see is FL to AK. So you probably won’t see it that often. A recent change also has homebasing available in Dubai, Amsterdam, and Incheon. The company has pledged to do away with Part 91 positioning legs. The only one we do now on the MD-11 is Chicago to Incheon with a 4 man crew. When you see guys posting about about their experiences in the past, ask questions. Things are changing and they are for the good.
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airgoose

That's definitely promising, excited for sure for new but good changes.

If you all don't mind me asking If you got an offer to work with all 3 that is, Atlas, WGA, and K4. Which one would you choose and why?

And would really appreciate it if anyone could point out the right direction to find MD11 course material to self-prep before the initial Ground school.

C17B74

Atlas just added some decent additives to the “new” contract (Sept). A no brainer it’s to sustain operations due to the increased hemorrhaging of pilots, attracting more applicants and an attempt to sustain or just have growth. Y’all should get more goodness, it’s prime time to attempt to first keep your front line troops and also expand. Status quo just isn’t cutting it or shrinkage is inevitable.

Cujo665

ok, I misread your post. No, Omni & K4 have it on international, not domestic. That's a nice get by Atlas.

Cujo665

The point was the rest rules you are under is because it's cargo, not because it's supplemental.

Cujo665

IMHO, currently, K4, Atlas then WGA. However, everybody's situation is different. If you live, or want to live, where one of the three does a crap ton of flying from, then you'd be home in your own bed a lot.
I know an Atlas guy that lives in a huge Amazon hub. He's home in his own bed most of the time. WGA is improving very rapidly from what we're reading. That's great, a rising tide lifts all boats.