101 Reasons to Not Work For ACMIs (ABX, ATI,
02-28-2018, 03:28 PM
#41
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Atsg earnings
100 million in earnings and no defined contribution retirement of 16% like the rest of the industry?
I don't have to wait for the details to come out to know the ATI TA will fall way short of industry standard pay and retirement!
I hear ATI and ABX are having trouble filling classes and the new hires are quitting as fast as the train their replacements.
I don't have to wait for the details to come out to know the ATI TA will fall way short of industry standard pay and retirement!
I hear ATI and ABX are having trouble filling classes and the new hires are quitting as fast as the train their replacements.
03-08-2018, 10:38 PM
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Omni and Kalitta are the places to go right now for a 767 type and maybe a career or a place to wait for FedEx or UPS. ATI even with a new deal still one of the worst paid airlines flying a 767, virtually no retirement, 16 day schedules, and vacation isn't always vacation. ABX has low 1st yr pay, no hotel during training, and they Jr man you all the time to the point where you have to strike to get them to stop.......nothing to see here at ATI ABX.....go somewhere that values their pilots and has already rewarded them with an industry leading cba.....
Omni
Spirit
Kalitta
Ups
Fedex
United
Delta
American
Southwest
And plenty of corporate jobs like net jets! Just these places alone are hiring in the thousands! ABX and ATI doesnt care about your quality of life, the old school scheduling of abusing pilots on reserve, low staffing will continue.
Omni
Spirit
Kalitta
Ups
Fedex
United
Delta
American
Southwest
And plenty of corporate jobs like net jets! Just these places alone are hiring in the thousands! ABX and ATI doesnt care about your quality of life, the old school scheduling of abusing pilots on reserve, low staffing will continue.
03-14-2018, 02:03 PM
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I wonder if Amazon and DHL know that a 2nd yr fo at FedEx and UPS has a bigger w2 and more time off, than a senior captain at ATI (even with a ta) and ABX. If they think they can man 100 planes paying the lowest wages in the industry, I can't wait to see that. Between Atlas, ABX and ATI only about 50% of the new hires stay longer than a year!
03-14-2018, 03:52 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
I wonder if Amazon and DHL know that a 2nd yr fo at FedEx and UPS has a bigger w2 and more time off, than a senior captain at ATI (even with a ta) and ABX. If they think they can man 100 planes paying the lowest wages in the industry, I can't wait to see that. Between Atlas, ABX and ATI only about 50% of the new hires stay longer than a year!
It's time to quit worrying about what X customer thinks and focus on what you can get from your company based on the profits they are reaping in.
03-14-2018, 06:48 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by sky jet
It's time to quit worrying about what X customer thinks and focus on what you can get from your company based on the profits they are reaping in.
Company mamagement makes therir money off our efforts to get the plane to its destination on time.
Accept the things You cannot change,
Have the Courage to change the things You can
03-14-2018, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumbl3weed
^^^Amen to that^^^
Company mamagement makes therir money off our efforts to get the plane to its destination on time.
Accept the things You cannot change,
Have the Courage to change the things You can
Company mamagement makes therir money off our efforts to get the plane to its destination on time.
Accept the things You cannot change,
Have the Courage to change the things You can
Well let's see ATSG and Atlas set record profit's and on the earnings call they admit they pass off labor costs with escalators to the customer, so you must not be very educated on the huge profit's of ATSG and Atlas!
03-18-2018, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Industry Strnd
I wonder if Amazon and DHL know that a 2nd yr fo at FedEx and UPS has a bigger w2 and more time off, than a senior captain at ATI (even with a ta) and ABX.
If they think they can man 100 planes paying the lowest wages in the industry, I can't wait to see that. Between Atlas, ABX and ATI only about 50% of the new hires stay longer than a year!
There's no reason you shouldn't be paid at rates commensurate with those at UPS and FedEx. The product is the same, as is the service you perform in providing it. Your problem isn't so much with ATI and ABX (or K4 or Southern) per se, but with the unholy alliance between your government and those it is charged with overseeing, and that permits unbridled and unregulated "permatemping" of jobs. The best, industry-leading contract you could possibly secure is built upon the shifting sands of corporate greed. It comes with a best-if-used-by date that coincides with the last day of your contracted service to DHL or Amazon, and even that can be terminated on relatively short notice. It all leads to a situation not unlike that which beguiled Sisyphus, tasked for eternity with rolling a boulder up a hill only to watch it roll back down. And for those in the ACMI business, that "rolling back down the hill" -thing is going to happen on about a 3 to 5 year cycle. For EVER.
Any improvement to your working conditions you can effect by bringing pressure upon your union or management is going to be temporary at best. The real fight for change is going to be in Washington, D.C. starting in November and carrying on until your goals are achieved.
03-18-2018, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan
They do, and they pride themselves accordingly. That is immaterial to them. If they need to hire 2 to keep 1, so it will be. The cost of training the ones who leave will be made back on the wages of the ones who stay.
There's no reason you shouldn't be paid at rates commensurate with those at UPS and FedEx. The product is the same, as is the service you perform in providing it. Your problem isn't so much with ATI and ABX (or K4 or Southern) per se, but with the unholy alliance between your government and those it is charged with overseeing, and that permits unbridled and unregulated "permatemping" of jobs. The best, industry-leading contract you could possibly secure is built upon the shifting sands of corporate greed. It comes with a best-if-used-by date that coincides with the last day of your contracted service to DHL or Amazon, and even that can be terminated on relatively short notice. It all leads to a situation not unlike that which beguiled Sisyphus, tasked for eternity with rolling a boulder up a hill only to watch it roll back down. And for those in the ACMI business, that "rolling back down the hill" -thing is going to happen on about a 3 to 5 year cycle. For EVER.
Any improvement to your working conditions you can effect by bringing pressure upon your union or management is going to be temporary at best. The real fight for change is going to be in Washington, D.C. starting in November and carrying on until your goals are achieved.
There's no reason you shouldn't be paid at rates commensurate with those at UPS and FedEx. The product is the same, as is the service you perform in providing it. Your problem isn't so much with ATI and ABX (or K4 or Southern) per se, but with the unholy alliance between your government and those it is charged with overseeing, and that permits unbridled and unregulated "permatemping" of jobs. The best, industry-leading contract you could possibly secure is built upon the shifting sands of corporate greed. It comes with a best-if-used-by date that coincides with the last day of your contracted service to DHL or Amazon, and even that can be terminated on relatively short notice. It all leads to a situation not unlike that which beguiled Sisyphus, tasked for eternity with rolling a boulder up a hill only to watch it roll back down. And for those in the ACMI business, that "rolling back down the hill" -thing is going to happen on about a 3 to 5 year cycle. For EVER.
Any improvement to your working conditions you can effect by bringing pressure upon your union or management is going to be temporary at best. The real fight for change is going to be in Washington, D.C. starting in November and carrying on until your goals are achieved.
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