ABX Interview - Is it worth it?
10-30-2019, 02:41 PM
#181
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Originally Posted by point432
It really does present itself that way. That or a merger.
From the whispers, negotiation have been rough again. Rumors of we are giving them the World but its not good enough. It feels like another concessionary contract, but we’ll give you higher rates and maybe a bump in retirement. So people are supposed to get worked to death on non-stop min rest layovers while trying to sleep during the day...and with a small raise. Gtfo!
Even when we were getting planes and work, guys still thought the job was tough. Why make the environment worse for guys looking to come here. Do you want to see more than one guy show up to class? Because it doesn’t only waste the Unions time, but all the managements time too. Having one guy who can teach 10+ in a class now gets to teach one.
Why should the future of ABX rest solely on our shoulders? Understand that current market requires a change.
Maybe if you do first class or best class travel, hotel points, free breakfast, 16%DC, Omni/K4 or better rates with a 75 hr guarantee...then we can talk about gutting all the work rules you want. Hey! We can even throw in that homebasing you want too.
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From the whispers, negotiation have been rough again. Rumors of we are giving them the World but its not good enough. It feels like another concessionary contract, but we’ll give you higher rates and maybe a bump in retirement. So people are supposed to get worked to death on non-stop min rest layovers while trying to sleep during the day...and with a small raise. Gtfo!
Even when we were getting planes and work, guys still thought the job was tough. Why make the environment worse for guys looking to come here. Do you want to see more than one guy show up to class? Because it doesn’t only waste the Unions time, but all the managements time too. Having one guy who can teach 10+ in a class now gets to teach one.
Why should the future of ABX rest solely on our shoulders? Understand that current market requires a change.
Maybe if you do first class or best class travel, hotel points, free breakfast, 16%DC, Omni/K4 or better rates with a 75 hr guarantee...then we can talk about gutting all the work rules you want. Hey! We can even throw in that homebasing you want too.
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10-30-2019, 02:55 PM
#182
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Originally Posted by Aerospeed
As they say... ABX made their bed, now they gotta lay in it!
Are we talking strike? Oh man! More strike talk. If not, fair enough.
But can’t we just get past this and move on. Some people are just like that family member that holds a grudge for decades.
But ABX did make their own bed and man will they not let anyone change those dirty sheets. Not the Union, not the company. When one is willing to compromise and the other one wont play ball, how is that good faith negotiations? Put it this way, our Union communicates with us regardless. I can’t even remember the company sending anything out on their stance. They don’t even negotiate with the pilots anymore!
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10-30-2019, 06:56 PM
#183
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Originally Posted by JetRage
ATSG is going to shut down ABX Air. Change my mind.
10-30-2019, 07:26 PM
#185
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Originally Posted by goinaround
I feel like all you guys who come on here and rant about ABX would be so much happier and live 10 years longer if you'd just go work somewhere else. There is a lot to choose from out there.....
10-30-2019, 07:31 PM
#186
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
It's so easy, isn't it? Just pick up and change jobs, just like that! There is absolutely nothing else to think about - no other considerations whatsoever. Just throw out a few applications, and in a few days you're in a place where you're working less for more money and everything is gumdrops and rainbows - instant happy!
10-31-2019, 06:44 AM
#187
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Originally Posted by Aerospeed
As they say... ABX made their bed, now they gotta lay in it!
10-31-2019, 06:50 AM
#188
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Originally Posted by JetRage
ATSG is going to shut down ABX Air. Change my mind.
10-31-2019, 05:23 PM
#189
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Pretty astounding that affiliate A staunchly holds their ground on being able to claim the dubious high ground as the "cheapest labor they have with the highest on time dispatch rate", yet, somehow, affiliate B is the one who manages to enjoy their low hanging pants more. 
11-01-2019, 12:14 AM
#190
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Originally Posted by b707guy
Pretty astounding that affiliate A staunchly holds their ground on being able to claim the dubious high ground as the "cheapest labor they have with the highest on time dispatch rate", yet, somehow, affiliate B is the one who manages to enjoy their low hanging pants more.
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