not miserabex

Ooops, that scope does not cover Amazon

Only the highly coveted DHL hub sit.

The scope also does not prevent DHL from pulling even more ABX flying and giving it to Atlas.... something that everybody seems to accept without a single complaint.

Also, there is an 'o' in no so we are even.

dogo

Wait until Amazon decides to pull the flying from Hete and gives it to Kalitta. You will pray for scope. Just keep repeating what your scab management tells you. Did I spell everything correctly?

goinaround

I think most Kalitta pilots are praying we stay well clear of this "Amazon Air" food fight.

dogo

I hope so as well. But you never know with what BeZos will do. Connie doesn’t need Amazon like Joe Hete and ATSG does.

not miserabex

First, I think we all can agree there is not a scope that will prevent Amazon from pulling their aircraft from anybody and placing them anywhere they want. That includes ABX, Atlas and ATI. Amazon does not have a contract with the pilots, only to lease the aircraft and separately have crews operate the AMAZON aircraft. Amazon and DHL can do that regardless of any scope Atlas and ATSG agrees to with their pilots. The aircraft and the pilots are separate. ABX has no scope to prevent that. PERIOD.

You can wish and hope and pray, ain't gonna' happen. Even I wish we could but you have to be honest with yourself.

Second, you have sidestepped the whole topic of DHL migrating aircraft from ABX to Atlas. How did scope help you there?

I do not know the numbers as I am not involved but I would enjoy to hear you tell us the ratio of ABX to Atlas at DHL say... 5 years ago and the ratio today?

I just find it highly hypocritical of everybody to attack ATI while they ignore what 1224 is doing to each other.

So.... hypothetical situation....

IF ATLAS were to demand a scope that forbid any other carrier from operation any and all DHL and Amazon flights, would you support them if they struck for it?

Knowing doing so would put you out of a job?

IF Kalitta were to do the same, would you support them?

IF ATI were to do the same, would you support them?

dogo

Either way I win! Got me one of those defined benefit programs. Fully funded. At least Joe and Soapy couldn’t beat us out of that.

Jurassic Jet

Yeah but you didn’t get one of those cool Prime Air bag tags like the real Prime Air Pilots. Priorities man!

Riverside

I don't see how Connie would get a good deal out of this.

No Land 3

I don't see how Bezos would get a good deal out of Connie either. He won't get any controlling interest in Kalitta, and I wouldn't think Connie would let him gain any leverage.
Bezos can promise 20 airplanes to company A, he props them up, they hire 600 pilots. He now has total leverage of company A by threatening to take away those airplanes.
Could I see Connie doing 5 airplanes for Bezos for a three year contract? Sure, no different than anything else we do.

not miserabex

And again you sidestepped everything I said and resorted to your childish ‘bag tag’ chant.
You are very predictable. If somebody says something that shows the holes in your balloon, you resort to;
Blah, blah, blah, bag tag.
Blah, blah, blah, scab.
Blah, blah, blah, scope.
No facts, not debate, just change the subject and hope everybody doesn’t notice the problem with your fantasy.
How do you feel about the guys boasting how much overtime money they were making while your fellow brother teamsters were on furlough? I thought it was a give to NEVER work overtime while others are on furlough. Certainly never brag about it.
How about your fellow brothers that are NOT fully funded? Eh, screw them, it is all about you.
Shut it down, that will show them.
Do you really think Hete and the gang will suffer at all if that happened? They have enough to live the life of Riley even if ATSG shut down tomorrow. Only your fellow employees, mx, office, junior pilots will suffer over your ‘show them’ attitude. The leasing arm will continue. The mx arm will continue. Only you and your carrier will disappear. Still enough income for them. Even if they got booted by the shareholders, they will be living far better than you.
Do things suck? Yes. Would scope be nice? Yes. Is it going to happen with third parties leasing planes? Nope.
All you are doing is alienating the ATI pilots more and more. Seems to me you should be trying to build bridges, not burning them. Especially given ABX’s shrinking status. You are friends with Atlas and they ARE taking your flying. Odd. If Atlas got scope for all the DHL flying, will you be ok with that? Or should Atlas NOT ask for scope? Scope is good unless it hurts you.
I think you are too afraid to answer my questions….
Hypothetical situation....

IF ATLAS were to demand a scope that forbids any other carrier from operating any and all DHL and Amazon flights, would you support them if they struck for it?

Knowing doing so would put you and everyone else at your carrier out of a job? Not just you, everyone.

IF Kalitta were to do the same, would you support them?

IF ATI were to do the same, would you support them?
I think you will resort to the usual…
Blah, blah, blah bag tag, scab, scope.
Predictable.