ATI hiring through 2019
11-05-2019, 01:09 AM
#591
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Originally Posted by Av8r75
You know what I find interesting about this entire thread....that it has nothing to do with the original topic!! Crazy how that works.... Instead a bunch of whiners have to keep crying about how someone stole their cheese! In my opinion (which won’t matter to the whiners) none of you are professionals, just a bunch of grumbling pilots who will never be happy, unless you are tearing someone else down, griping about how life is not fair and otherwise acting like spoiled children.
I have followed this thread for some time now and no longer find it useful or interesting. Those of you that work for ABX, get a life and go hijack another thread...those of you who do not work for ABX or ATI for that matter, you really have nothing of value to add to the conversation, because everything you think you know is second hand information. And if you used to work for an ATSG carrier or another 1224 led pilot group (lol) maybe you could all get together and start your own thread. It truly is ridiculous to see this constant bickering about nothing.
By the way...informational picketing in front of a customer’s HQ is informational for whom?? You really believe that somehow you are educating management at Amazon about your plight?? How would you feel if I did some INFORMATIONAL picketing in front of your house, because you just purchased a value meal at McDonald’s and I feel they under pay their employees?? Maybe you do not eat at McDonalds, but the analogy is still relevant. The customer is your bread and butter and ATI pilots recognize that....interesting how that works....but I digress.
Carry on whiners! I am sure you will...
...by the way...maybe a good title for your own thread could be “Informational Picketing...does it really work??”
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I have followed this thread for some time now and no longer find it useful or interesting. Those of you that work for ABX, get a life and go hijack another thread...those of you who do not work for ABX or ATI for that matter, you really have nothing of value to add to the conversation, because everything you think you know is second hand information. And if you used to work for an ATSG carrier or another 1224 led pilot group (lol) maybe you could all get together and start your own thread. It truly is ridiculous to see this constant bickering about nothing.
By the way...informational picketing in front of a customer’s HQ is informational for whom?? You really believe that somehow you are educating management at Amazon about your plight?? How would you feel if I did some INFORMATIONAL picketing in front of your house, because you just purchased a value meal at McDonald’s and I feel they under pay their employees?? Maybe you do not eat at McDonalds, but the analogy is still relevant. The customer is your bread and butter and ATI pilots recognize that....interesting how that works....but I digress.
Carry on whiners! I am sure you will...
...by the way...maybe a good title for your own thread could be “Informational Picketing...does it really work??”
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11-05-2019, 04:32 AM
#594
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Posts: 109
Originally Posted by Reactivity
There is no irony.
You need an education on a strike picket line vs. informational picketing. They are not and and the same.
You need an education on a strike picket line vs. informational picketing. They are not and and the same.
Of course informational. What was I thinking...
Yeah, maybe the fat guy on the bike was confused as well.
11-05-2019, 04:45 AM
#595
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
Informational picketing is not a strike. Aircraft and freight don't stop moving during the picketing. The pilots you see out there are doing so on their own time while everybody else keeps working.
See the difference?
See the difference?
More direct, what makes anyone flying for an acmi think it is ever appropriate to picket Amazon? None of us work for Amazon, we work for acmi who has amazon as a customer.
Is that clear? Or do we want to keep this misdirect talking about what picketing vs striking is?
11-05-2019, 04:55 AM
#596
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
Nobody cares what you find interesting...
I think it would be more appropriate for ATI pilots to say to you: nobody cares what you have to say or think or feel or find interesting on an ATI thread.
11-05-2019, 05:31 AM
#597
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Originally Posted by NeverHome
Nobody is arguing the difference of a strike vs a picket. What I am asking however is why picket a customer? If striking to hit a customer is inappropriate, why is picketing a customer ok?
More direct, what makes anyone flying for an acmi think it is ever appropriate to picket Amazon? None of us work for Amazon, we work for acmi who has amazon as a customer.
Is that clear? Or do we want to keep this misdirect talking about what picketing vs striking is?
More direct, what makes anyone flying for an acmi think it is ever appropriate to picket Amazon? None of us work for Amazon, we work for acmi who has amazon as a customer.
Is that clear? Or do we want to keep this misdirect talking about what picketing vs striking is?
Speaking strictly from an Atlas/Southern point of view, it's because the company CLEARLY over-promised and under-delivered.
AAWW sold Amazon a "bill of goods".
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...l%20of%20goods
It's appropriate because every single Atlas/Southern pilot has a vested interest in the success of Prime Air. But if the Prime Air deal is going to succeed then the weak links need to be identified ASAP.
The picketing is meant to bring awareness to the staffing issues at AAWW that are glowing red hot.
Also, AAWW is becoming famous for misleading customers and investors, blaming "disruptions" on labor and trade issues. That's all false of course, so the pickets are a good opportunity to meet with media who are interested in the real story. It's informative for both customers and investors.
Informational pickets are like a truth serum; the antidote to the spiked KoolAid the company is serving to customers and investors, and even new pilots who have never seen this game played.
11-05-2019, 06:26 AM
#598
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Originally Posted by zerozero
Why is it appropriate to picket Amazon?
Speaking strictly from an Atlas/Southern point of view, it's because the company CLEARLY over-promised and under-delivered.
AAWW sold Amazon a "bill of goods".
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...l%20of%20goods
It's appropriate because every single Atlas/Southern pilot has a vested interest in the success of Prime Air. But if the Prime Air deal is going to succeed then the weak links need to be identified ASAP.
The picketing is meant to bring awareness to the staffing issues at AAWW that are glowing red hot.
Also, AAWW is becoming famous for misleading customers and investors, blaming "disruptions" on labor and trade issues. That's all false of course, so the pickets are a good opportunity to meet with media who are interested in the real story. It's informative for both customers and investors.
Informational pickets are like a truth serum; the antidote to the spiked KoolAid the company is serving to customers and investors, and even new pilots who have never seen this game played.
Speaking strictly from an Atlas/Southern point of view, it's because the company CLEARLY over-promised and under-delivered.
AAWW sold Amazon a "bill of goods".
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...l%20of%20goods
It's appropriate because every single Atlas/Southern pilot has a vested interest in the success of Prime Air. But if the Prime Air deal is going to succeed then the weak links need to be identified ASAP.
The picketing is meant to bring awareness to the staffing issues at AAWW that are glowing red hot.
Also, AAWW is becoming famous for misleading customers and investors, blaming "disruptions" on labor and trade issues. That's all false of course, so the pickets are a good opportunity to meet with media who are interested in the real story. It's informative for both customers and investors.
Informational pickets are like a truth serum; the antidote to the spiked KoolAid the company is serving to customers and investors, and even new pilots who have never seen this game played.
That said, what part of that is amazons fault? Why picket and call them out? And yes that has been happening.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...r-pilot-2019-7
This shows that the pilot group is against amazon directly. Granted it was only one pilot, but here is his quote:
"It takes a lot of bravery, courage, and moral fortitude to stand up to a really powerful corporation like Amazon," Russo told Business Insider before the strike on Monday.
So, to recap, I can understand why you may want to stand up to AAWW. We all get that. But why pee in the customers Cheerios?
11-05-2019, 06:53 AM
#599
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Originally Posted by NeverHome
Yes I think as far as AAWW is concerned you are correct, they are not acting in an honest or straight forward manner. I think you would be hard pressed to find another pilot who thinks AAWW is acting in an ethical manner. The pilots know it and the investors do too.
That said, what part of that is amazons fault? Why picket and call them out? And yes that has been happening.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...r-pilot-2019-7
This shows that the pilot group is against amazon directly. Granted it was only one pilot, but here is his quote:
"It takes a lot of bravery, courage, and moral fortitude to stand up to a really powerful corporation like Amazon," Russo told Business Insider before the strike on Monday.
So, to recap, I can understand why you may want to stand up to AAWW. We all get that. But why pee in the customers Cheerios?
That said, what part of that is amazons fault? Why picket and call them out? And yes that has been happening.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...r-pilot-2019-7
This shows that the pilot group is against amazon directly. Granted it was only one pilot, but here is his quote:
"It takes a lot of bravery, courage, and moral fortitude to stand up to a really powerful corporation like Amazon," Russo told Business Insider before the strike on Monday.
So, to recap, I can understand why you may want to stand up to AAWW. We all get that. But why pee in the customers Cheerios?
Using logical thought process, common sense and fairness. All expressed in an eloquent and intelligent manner.
You should know better
11-05-2019, 08:42 AM
#600
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Posts: 693
Originally Posted by NeverHome
Yes I think as far as AAWW is concerned you are correct, they are not acting in an honest or straight forward manner. I think you would be hard pressed to find another pilot who thinks AAWW is acting in an ethical manner. The pilots know it and the investors do too.
That said, what part of that is amazons fault? Why picket and call them out? And yes that has been happening.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...r-pilot-2019-7
This shows that the pilot group is against amazon directly. Granted it was only one pilot, but here is his quote:
"It takes a lot of bravery, courage, and moral fortitude to stand up to a really powerful corporation like Amazon," Russo told Business Insider before the strike on Monday.
So, to recap, I can understand why you may want to stand up to AAWW. We all get that. But why pee in the customers Cheerios?
That said, what part of that is amazons fault? Why picket and call them out? And yes that has been happening.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...r-pilot-2019-7
This shows that the pilot group is against amazon directly. Granted it was only one pilot, but here is his quote:
"It takes a lot of bravery, courage, and moral fortitude to stand up to a really powerful corporation like Amazon," Russo told Business Insider before the strike on Monday.
So, to recap, I can understand why you may want to stand up to AAWW. We all get that. But why pee in the customers Cheerios?
--Active strikes meant to use economic leverage to hurt employers.
--Informational pickets meant to raise awareness.
--Third person demonstrations of solidarity.
In the Amazon event you cite, it was Amazon warehouse workers who staged a walkout--not a strike, per se, because they aren't unionized.
Solidarity was expressed by numerous other groups, including Amazon's own tech workers.
And finally Bezos himself says, "I expect us to be scrutinized. We should be scrutinized...all large institutions should scrutinized and examined. It's reasonable."
He welcomes the scrutiny.
You can hear him say so at approx. :40 sec on this short video.
https://youtu.be/xVzkOWxd7uQ
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