ImmaAHole

Anyone who has a stick wedged up their a$$ over having a perfect uniform and not wearing PJ's in the cockpit hereby has their title of "freight dawg" stripped. I can't stand sharing the cockpit with elitist type "A" pricks.
Sorry, "Catch Me If You Can" is just a movie, it isn't the 1960's anymore. You are a truck driver or bus driver on the totem pole of social class. An overpaid one with too much time off in the eyes of our peers. We aren't looked upon as gods, but rather extremely spoiled brats by our neighbors stuck in their hellish 9 to 5 rat race world.
The "profession" boils down to 80% wrote memorization, 10% decision making, and 10% people skills. Go study your flash cards, doctors!
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Adlerdriver

Maybe there should be 1% spelling. Then at least you could say you got 99% of the rest.

Sluggo_63

You crack me up. We should be professional on the flight deck, so wear your uniform, but not the tie up. Why not? If you're going to be professional, be professional. So where do you draw the line at what is professional? What if your FO thinks the top button needs to be buttoned and the tie all the way up and he looks at you with your tie pulled down and top button undone and thinks "what a slob... I can't believe I have to fly with such an unprofessional slob."?

I'll tell you what, I've flown 15 hour legs with guys like you who keep their uniform on, and personal opinions aside, I look better getting off the jet with my mostly unwrinkled shirt that has been on a hanger during the flight than the guy who has had it on the entire time and slept two rest breaks and dribble soy sauce and coffee all over the front of his white shirt.

To me changing at the TOC serves two purposes. One, comfort, and two... I don't care if I dribble on my t-shirt and pajama pants or if they get wrinkled unlike my uniform shirt.

Packrat

I got the real story about this from the FedEx Central Air Safety guy at a meeting once. As you recall from the video, they had to egress from the cockpit windows because the wind from the left side of the jet had collapsed the slide.

There were a bunch of DHers on board. While they were waiting for their chance to get to the cockpit window, they figured WTF and started tossing the bags out the L1 door. The fire was pretty far aft of the area. They got out as fast as they could using one window and one escape rope.

Packrat

Well, I don't wear my uniform (except to go through TSA where no KCM exsists) but I don't see the harm in introducing myself to the pilots or giving a business card to the F/As to hand them. Neither do I see the problem with informing the lead F/A that I'm qualified air crew and my seat assignment so she knows she has at least one trained ABP in the event of an emergency.

If that makes me a tool as well, so be it.

zerozero

I was pretty clear from the beginning that I think it's acceptable to change my uniform shirt in cruise. And I do.

Where do I draw the line? In the company FOM, where it clearly states changing one's shirt is acceptable. Nowhere in the FOM are jammies, slippers or gym gear mentioned.

C17B74

You are correct, nor does it say business casual, or anything else about shirt or pants, etc specifics. Nice you added Gym Gear as many do killing two birds with one stone and that actually makes sense. Now I am considering this within reason (no UDT shorts, tank tops, etc.)

Doesn’t it say this: “On all flights, casual attire may be worn during cruise except when out of the flight deck
on live passenger flights. In this case the uniform slacks and shirt must be worn.“ Pg 155 from last update 28 Aug 19.

Agree there is too casual, so let those 12 year olds know where you draw the line. Correct me on my quote if I am wrong, I updated within the past hour, but anything new(er) might not have loaded accordingly. Nothing wrong with staying above the bar Capt totally agree and I haven’t seen everything like you. I just haven’t seen anything outrageous/red rum, but there are those wearing their jackets tight to the top with no uniform up top at all. That is specifically addressed in the reg.

zerozero

Exactly, we're talking about professional adults here, in a professional environment. As I said, I think this is all common sense. We should dress appropriately without taking advantage of any "liberty" we may have been given in official guidance.

Pretty sure the discussion has run its course, but someone is sure to accuse me of wearing my tie knot too high and tight. In reality, nothing is further from the truth. Sometimes I even skipping shaving for a day.

PurpleToolBox

I couldn't care less what people think of me. I'll continue to wear my sweats with my favorite motorcycle, car or truck t-shirts.

If you want to be professional and look good in the public's eye, go to Delta. You can even wear the hat.

atpcliff

I was on an ORD freight ramp about a week ago. There were two DAL 773s parked there, doing a freight leg. Interesting sight...