View Poll Results: How will you vote on the proposed FDX FDA LOA?
YES
41
15.89%
NO
217
84.11%
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Poll - How will you vote on the new FDX FDA LOA?
#31
No!! That's because he's the one that actually LIVES overseas!!!! The problem here is that whether the LOA passes or not, if and when our guys start bidding these positions, it's too late to change when you get there, the harsh economic truth sets in, and the household goods are still on the boat.
Then those comparisons to the E-1 become real.
Then those comparisons to the E-1 become real.
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
If you listen to the MEC no one can afford to bid the FDAs because they will be obligated for US and commie pinko taxes if the LOA goes down. I for one am willing to see that happen. Call their bluff and vote no. That is the only way to strengthen our hand for the next contract.
#33
Again--I haven't heard one guy say "I WANT to go to Paris/HKG and I WANT you guys to vote for it..."
Until someone explains why they want me to help them by voting this in, I'll vote no. If the company doesn't offer something better down the road, so be it. I don't think the company will get the experience they want with this LOA, and they certainly won't get it with no improvements over the CBA provisions. If they want to revert to temp duty assignments--that's their option. But I think voting yes--despite our union's attempts to improve the package--really are condeming the guys overseas to a pretty bad deal.
No bid until we solve this? (yawn). I can wait.
Until someone explains why they want me to help them by voting this in, I'll vote no. If the company doesn't offer something better down the road, so be it. I don't think the company will get the experience they want with this LOA, and they certainly won't get it with no improvements over the CBA provisions. If they want to revert to temp duty assignments--that's their option. But I think voting yes--despite our union's attempts to improve the package--really are condeming the guys overseas to a pretty bad deal.
No bid until we solve this? (yawn). I can wait.
#34
Again--I haven't heard one guy say "I WANT to go to Paris/HKG and I WANT you guys to vote for it..."
Until someone explains why they want me to help them by voting this in, I'll vote no. If the company doesn't offer something better down the road, so be it. I don't think the company will get the experience they want with this LOA, and they certainly won't get it with no improvements over the CBA provisions. If they want to revert to temp duty assignments--that's their option. But I think voting yes--despite our union's attempts to improve the package--really are condeming the guys overseas to a pretty bad deal.
No bid until we solve this? (yawn). I can wait.
Until someone explains why they want me to help them by voting this in, I'll vote no. If the company doesn't offer something better down the road, so be it. I don't think the company will get the experience they want with this LOA, and they certainly won't get it with no improvements over the CBA provisions. If they want to revert to temp duty assignments--that's their option. But I think voting yes--despite our union's attempts to improve the package--really are condeming the guys overseas to a pretty bad deal.
No bid until we solve this? (yawn). I can wait.
This FDA would probably work for a guy like me, but we have to consider the ramifications of a ratifying vote on a larger scale than personal affordability.
I'm a NO vote now, but I'm holding on a final call until after two events: One is the Council 79 conference call. The other is an 11 day Asia trip, where the real issues can be discussed with other line guys in such fine establishment as Vasco's, Jet Lag, Papa's, Stag's Head, etc. We all know that is where the real debating is done.
Phlyer
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD-11 CA
Posts: 150
One of our pilots in Subic lives in Hong Kong. We really do have a good idea what the costs are in Hong Kong. Can't speak to Paris though. This LOA is tremendously inadequate. Actually, it's embarrassing.
#37
It was an interesting union meeting last night.....The MEC did a good job of explaining the LOA and why they thought is was good. They didn't say great. They were the first ones to say that they wanted more money. The short version is.....who do you want to do our international flying? This LOA doesn't need to pass to open these bases. They can just open them and have a bid. No extra money at all. They tried to tell everyone not to bid Subic when it opened.....it didn't work. Guys bid it anyway. Do you really think that our pilot group won't bid a base or take an upgrade just because DW says so? We can't even fix the *********$ that pick up disputed pairings in the first few minutes of open time. I think they are right that the "Just don't bid the base thing" won't work. There was a great deal of talk about international law and the question of if the RLA is still a valid law in these bases. DW made a point of saying that this LOA puts the RLA in play in both of these bases.....something we didn't get when Subic opened. That was a done via a lawsuit that was settled out of court....so it is still an open ended legal question of if the RLA applies or not. This LOA makes that happen. I could type more, but that am out / back has just about killed me.
Before anyone decides to vote yes or no, I would encourage you actually go to a meeting and get involved. I walked into the meeting a definite no and now I'm on the fence. BTW, I walked out of the ALPA meeting to a room of pilots wearing their pin but couldn't take the time to walk 50 feet and sit down and listen to the MEC present this thing....unsat
Before anyone decides to vote yes or no, I would encourage you actually go to a meeting and get involved. I walked into the meeting a definite no and now I'm on the fence. BTW, I walked out of the ALPA meeting to a room of pilots wearing their pin but couldn't take the time to walk 50 feet and sit down and listen to the MEC present this thing....unsat
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
It was an interesting union meeting last night.....The MEC did a good job of explaining the LOA and why they thought is was good. They didn't say great. They were the first ones to say that they wanted more money. The short version is.....who do you want to do our international flying? This LOA doesn't need to pass to open these bases. They can just open them and have a bid. No extra money at all. They tried to tell everyone not to bid Subic when it opened.....it didn't work. Guys bid it anyway. Do you really think that our pilot group won't bid a base or take an upgrade just because DW says so? We can't even fix the *********$ that pick up disputed pairings in the first few minutes of open time. I think they are right that the "Just don't bid the base thing" won't work. There was a great deal of talk about international law and the question of if the RLA is still a valid law in these bases. DW made a point of saying that this LOA puts the RLA in play in both of these bases.....something we didn't get when Subic opened. That was a done via a lawsuit that was settled out of court....so it is still an open ended legal question of if the RLA applies or not. This LOA makes that happen. I could type more, but that am out / back has just about killed me.
Before anyone decides to vote yes or no, I would encourage you actually go to a meeting and get involved. I walked into the meeting a definite no and now I'm on the fence. BTW, I walked out of the ALPA meeting to a room of pilots wearing their pin but couldn't take the time to walk 50 feet and sit down and listen to the MEC present this thing....unsat
Before anyone decides to vote yes or no, I would encourage you actually go to a meeting and get involved. I walked into the meeting a definite no and now I'm on the fence. BTW, I walked out of the ALPA meeting to a room of pilots wearing their pin but couldn't take the time to walk 50 feet and sit down and listen to the MEC present this thing....unsat
If this LOA passes it will be the language in the next contract unless we spen a buttocksload of so called negotiating capital to change it. Negotiating capital that can be better spent elsewhere.
You don't take a financial hit at subic. ANybody that wants to can afford to go there.
I would encourage the MEC to hold better advertised meetings and publish minutes. Are they afraid to go on the record? How about a day hubturn meeting?
Last edited by FDXLAG; 06-29-2007 at 10:55 AM.
#39
It was an interesting union meeting last night.....The MEC did a good job of explaining the LOA and why they thought is was good. They didn't say great. They were the first ones to say that they wanted more money. The short version is.....who do you want to do our international flying? This LOA doesn't need to pass to open these bases. They can just open them and have a bid. No extra money at all. They tried to tell everyone not to bid Subic when it opened.....it didn't work. Guys bid it anyway. Do you really think that our pilot group won't bid a base or take an upgrade just because DW says so? We can't even fix the *********$ that pick up disputed pairings in the first few minutes of open time. I think they are right that the "Just don't bid the base thing" won't work. There was a great deal of talk about international law and the question of if the RLA is still a valid law in these bases. DW made a point of saying that this LOA puts the RLA in play in both of these bases.....something we didn't get when Subic opened. That was a done via a lawsuit that was settled out of court....so it is still an open ended legal question of if the RLA applies or not. This LOA makes that happen. I could type more, but that am out / back has just about killed me.
Before anyone decides to vote yes or no, I would encourage you actually go to a meeting and get involved. I walked into the meeting a definite no and now I'm on the fence. BTW, I walked out of the ALPA meeting to a room of pilots wearing their pin but couldn't take the time to walk 50 feet and sit down and listen to the MEC present this thing....unsat
Before anyone decides to vote yes or no, I would encourage you actually go to a meeting and get involved. I walked into the meeting a definite no and now I'm on the fence. BTW, I walked out of the ALPA meeting to a room of pilots wearing their pin but couldn't take the time to walk 50 feet and sit down and listen to the MEC present this thing....unsat
#40
Surely the guys at fedex corp that made this offer have got to be joking. I think they are testing the water for the next contract to see just how low we will go. If we cant take a stand on this issue, then when can we.
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