Freightpuppy

They sold their soul too. I pretty much feel the same way about all management. Wolves in sheeps clothing.

Freightpuppy

Yeah, that's a stupid comment....but yet I'm not surprised, Geoffrey is management. If you want us to welcome you with half open arms, you should probably keep those kinds of comments to yourself son.

Slice

The bottom line is that we need to get ALL the flying back under the IPA. How we go about it is the question. I'm open to suggestions...

Freightpuppy

I agree Slice.

767pilot

One way is by not alienating those that will be coming along with the jobs.

Pilot7576

Folks...

As far as those pilots hired directly into management, it would be nearly impossible to determine if they were offered a line job as well. But those who left the IPA made a conscious decision to NOT be line pilots and be instant capts and get the stock award every year. My point is that we CAN determine a date for each manager...his hire date into management.

As far as bringing them onboard, I'm not so sure that it would require us to hire more pilots. Most of the flying they do is by displacement...the mef flying that happens really doesnt equal 160 pilots times a 75 hour guarantee. We may, by bringing them all onboard in the captains seat, be royally screwing those fos on the cusp of upgrading to the left seat. This could potentially slow things earlier and with more effect than the age 65 decision.

There are a lot of questions to be answered and BM hasn't done that yet. He needs to...

JMO

Pilot7576

767pilot

I'd like to see the figures on how much flying they are doing without displacement. It appears to be quite substantial on the MD at least. DOn't forget though, that even without that time, there will still be guys (maybe even the same guys) doing those checking and training jobs so it should balance out. As some new IPA faces apply for some of the jobs that were previously off limits to them, it will probably reshuffle the deck further.

I'm not sure that the 160X75 is an accurate metric. These guy fly outside of the contract and are therefore a lot more productive than we are. It may be that those 160 guys, even flying less than 75 hours a month, are doing the work of 200 or more IPA guys by flying long duty days and ridiculous deadheads as I have seen first hand.

Worst case scenario is that without sugar coating it, some of the guys that are on the seniority bubble could have a tough time in the short run. In the long run, I think that they will be better off.

As for the questions you think that Bob has to answer, for some reason I don't think you are going to see that posted publicly, it just isn't his style. History has shown that he is a guy that will only address things through a phone call or a question at a membership meeting. I encourage you to make that call and satisfy your intelect.

767pilot

Question for you and anyone else that wants to answer. Is your problem with us claiming the flying that the lower level managers are doing as our own, or is it more with the question of bringing the pilots doing those jobs over to our lists?

GEOFFREY

Does anyone know the status of the IPA straw poll? How close does anyone think it will be?

767pilot

Lots of yes's, not too many no's. The 80% will be a pretty high hurdle though.