IPA Flight Times Article
09-22-2007, 08:48 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by Trash Hauler 1
How about...No managers in my union. You made your bed, now sleep in it. I don't know you, but I can never trust you. Sorry, that's just the way it is. The only managers I want in my union are the ones we haven't hired.
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Not realistic, and therefore not productive. We are after the jobs. Can't pick the people. Facts is facts.
Also, many flight supervisors had no choice when employed. "Management" or no job. Not talking IPA who left. Big distinction.
Originally Posted by Slice
I understand where you're coming from, however, what's to stop the company from hiring 1000 or more managers between now and the next round of negotiations? We need to get all flying back under the IPA. I don't think anyone on the line with disagree with that. The question is how?
Slice,
Again, it is the job description, not the names. Class and craft have everything to do with this, so doesn't matter what company does, if they fly and in class and craft, representation would belong to the IPA.
09-22-2007, 08:51 AM
#142
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Originally Posted by GEOFFREY
What about those management people who were hired as crewmembers when the Teamsters were here, and went into management prior to the IPA being organized?
I expect the negotiations would build some fences to benefit everyone. Minimize business impact to the company i.e. current jobs in training and checking, etc and financial impact to the those accreted jobs. Despite the desire of some individuals to be punitive, that is simply counter to the concept of the union. Much conjecture, am only expressing one pilots thoughts.
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09-22-2007, 12:40 PM
#143
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Why can't probationary pilots vote in the straw poll? These folks will have a lot to lose as far as seniority goes. The straw poll is an unofficial union initiative and won't account for almost 250 line pilots that would eventually be full union members by the time this is all settled. This exclusion may change the results (a bit). Just some thoughts. Thanks
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09-22-2007, 12:50 PM
#144
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Originally Posted by MountyFlyer
Why can't probationary pilots vote in the straw poll? These folks will have a lot to lose as far as seniority goes. The straw poll is an unofficial union initiative and won't account for almost 250 line pilots that would eventually be full union members by the time this is all settled. This exclusion may change the results (a bit). Just some thoughts. Thanks
MF
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Excellent question. Call Bob M or anyone on the EBoard on Monday, at least voice your opinion to them via phone or voicemail. Personally, in addition to raising F/O wages, this would be a valuable piece for junior crews IMO. I am much safer than you based on my seniority, You will be stagnated with status quo. PM if you want more. The leather jacket fiasco is pure stupidity on company part.
09-22-2007, 01:33 PM
#145
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IPA Flight Times Article
From everything we have been told by the company's lawyers, etc., the IPA will not succeed in its efforts at line integration. I know this is the company's position. I also know that the IPA feels the other way. It will be very interesting
09-23-2007, 02:17 PM
#147
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Originally Posted by MountyFlyer
Why can't probationary pilots vote in the straw poll?
As far as integration – even hiring stop on the mgmt side would be nice; that way there would be lots of training positions opened up eventually which of course would allow some senior captains to move into the training positions which would free up some captain seats, etc, etc……
09-23-2007, 05:24 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by Slice
, what's to stop the company from hiring 1000 or more managers between now and the next round of negotiations? ?
09-23-2007, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Night_Hawk
I have heard this argument, but stated as calling them VPs or something. But, I Believe, the courts have ruled hiring people to do a position that a union group already does is illegal.
It's all about "employee or subordinate official" that protects their ability to be in a union under RLA. Read one specific case regarding UPS:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bi...se&no=99a0377p
Now, which union? Then it is a matter of "class and craft". If they hire people to fly. It's an IPA "class and craft" job. That stops the flying hiring that is filled by flight qualified supervisors.
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