Shaggy1970

Its getting intresting!!!

MountyFlyer

Anyone care to guess how the company will react if the managers do vote for representation?

GEOFFREY

It is my guess, and that of many of my cohorts, that the company will "raise hell" and posture a lot and then "fold" if we vote for representation.
What do you think?

Shaggy1970

So I am on the company site and I only count 30 ACP's. I count another 20 or so office chiefs. What is the total number of Pilot Managers??? If they vote for it and they get put on the list based off date of hire will they be allowed to keep their seat or are they reshuffled in the deck???

GEOFFREY

There are about 165 Flight Qualified Supervisors. This is the combined total of ACP's, Flight Training Supervisors, System Ops people, and some miscellaneous people (ASAP, FOQA) etc.

We are hearing that the IPA is prepared to offer date of hire with a 3-5 year seat lock for those guys who are recent additons. On the other hand, upper management is saying that we would be stapled to the bottom of the list.

We would like to know what would really happen. We believe that if it were date of hire with seat lock for 3-5 years, there would be a landslide of votes to join the IPA. What say you??

cashcow

Sounds fair! IMO a huge majority of the IPA members would endorse what you outline.

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Tech Maven

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767pilot

Upper managment has NO idea what the f they are talking about. I suppose that you COULD possibly end up on the bottom of the list, but only under one condition.

The company will have some say in where you end up. That condition would be that you could end up there if that is where THEY insist you end up. Now, if that is the case, that you work for a bunch of people that want you at the bottom of a list, are they really the kind of people you want to go up against without a union? Once again they will prove themselves to be their own worst enemies.

I'm not so sure what it is that they are so affraid of (maybe rickbarr will loose his management bonus if he can't prove to have properly controlled you guys?) but through the whole thing ask yourselves this..."Is what the company is telling me for my benefit or theirs?".

I'll tell you right now from the IPA stand point it is going to be for our benefit to have you guys under our roof, but I think you will also find that coming under our contract and a future with a line number and the options that open up, will be a benefit to you as well.

UPSDISPATCHER

That sounds about right as that's what they did with us. As far as stapling to the bottom of the list, I think that would end up being the decision of the arbitrator. What the company tells you at this point is a last ditch effort. If they dispute seniority integration with the union, and the union fights it, then it should go to arbitration as per the RLA.

767pilot

I'm not sure that this situation calls for or an arbitrator, or if that part of the RLA is even applicable. Actually, there is no part of the RLA requiring an arbitration for seniority integrations.