Frozen trips and open time???
11-04-2007, 06:31 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
Two management bubbas were assigned this trip ... however, MEM guys fly/dh to these destinations all the time. No visas required. I'm not sure you have any idea what you are talking about, maybe you are a management plant?
There ARE visa issues to DH in or out of that airport. Looks to me to be part of the beaujolais nouveau charters! We took JL into ALA with us from HKG 3 yrs ago (same trip Kapt Klepto stole my passport
). PC Dh'd in 3 days later and the two of them took the wine charter to Japan. It stops in ALA for a tech stop. Of course, I may be wrong! However, there still are visa issues to DH in or out of ALA!
11-05-2007, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by vschip
That's what I told MaydayMark in a detailed PM, but he has yet to respond...I'm not so concerned about the fact that he says I have no clue about what I'm talking about, I'm told that daily at home, but calling me a "management plant" is what really bugged me, especially since I've done, and am doing, volunteer work for the union. Guess he is too busy spending all that captains pay to correct a wrong...
As to the issue of not answering your PM, I basically subscribe to the philosophy of "Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded." So ... I give my opinions and allow others to give theirs.
Thanks for volunteering to do union work, all of our lives are better because of the guys (and girls) that volunteer their time off for all of our benefit.
Regards,
Mark
PS ... I've deadheaded out of ALA without a visa, will be glad to send you a copy of the stamps in my passport.
11-05-2007, 05:06 PM
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How about this frozen trip?
Trip 967/ 12NOV
That should be disputed for those grueling D/Hs. Interrupted by that long leg, to CDG, with no catering!!
Trip 967/ 12NOV
That should be disputed for those grueling D/Hs. Interrupted by that long leg, to CDG, with no catering!!
Last edited by Busboy; 11-05-2007 at 05:22 PM.
11-06-2007, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
I picked up a fz trip a couple months ago, right before it got frozen. It was one of the earthquake relief flights to Lima, Peru. I was then notified I was assigned by mistake and taken off and offered sub or CMU since it was non-rev trip. I now have a nice little CMU bank with 24 CHs in it! It was subsequently filled by mgmnt pilots.
11-06-2007, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
I picked up a fz trip a couple months ago, right before it got frozen. It was one of the earthquake relief flights to Lima, Peru. I was then notified I was assigned by mistake and taken off and offered sub or CMU since it was non-rev trip. I now have a nice little CMU bank with 24 CHs in it! It was subsequently filled by mgmnt pilots.
SECTION 4
MINIMUM GUARANTEES AND OTHER PAY PROVISIONS
F. Trip Guarantee
1. A pilot's trip guarantee shall be the scheduled credit hour (SCH) value of the trip when the trip is awarded/assigned to the pilot (e.g., bid award, trip trade, open time assignment) or when the pilot blocks out on the trip, whichever is greater.
If your name's on the trip, it's yours. If they take you off of it because of their mistake, they still must pay you. At least that's my read of the contract. I'd definitely get contact enforcement involved, though.
11-06-2007, 04:51 PM
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Here is the answer you will get:
25 AA. Duplicate or Other Assignment Error
1. A duplicate or other assignment error occurs if:
a. a pilot is inadvertently not given an assignment to which he was entitled; or
b. a pilot is notified of an assignment, through VIPS or contact with CRS, to which another pilot was entitled; or
c. multiple pilots are given the same assignment.
2. In case of a duplicate or other assignment error, the following shall apply to the pilot who should have been given the assignment:
a. If it is feasible, such pilot shall be given the assignment to which he was entitled.
b. If the assignment is not given to the pilot who should have received it (e.g., time constraints do not permit reassignment), the credit hours from the assignment shall be eligible for compensatory make-up.
c. If it is not possible to determine which pilot should have received the trip (e.g., time does not permit the necessary research), then the senior pilot shall be offered the choice of performing the assignment, or having the credit hours for the assignment deposited into his compensatory make-up bank.
3. In case of a duplicate or other assignment error, the following shall apply to the pilot, if any, who received the assignment in error.
a. If operational circumstances permit, such pilot shall be removed from the assignment and it shall be reassigned to the pilot who should have received the assignment, as provided in Section 25.AA.2.a. (above).
b. If the pilot removed from the trip held trip guarantee for the trip, and received notice of the assignment, through VIPS or contact with CRS, he shall be eligible for compensatory make-up for the credit hours removed due to assignment error.
c. If the pilot removed from the trip did not hold trip guarantee for the trip, his entitlement to showpay shall be determined in accordance with other provisions of the Agreement.
4. Substitution Election
Notwithstanding the above, if, as a result of a duplicate or other assignment error, a pilot is removed from a trip for which he held trip guarantee, or does not receive an assignment for which he would have held trip guarantee upon assignment, the pilot may elect to be placed in substitution in lieu of having credit hours deposited into his compensatory make-up bank. Any such election must be made through direct contact with CRS, when the pilot first learns of the error.
1. A duplicate or other assignment error occurs if:
a. a pilot is inadvertently not given an assignment to which he was entitled; or
b. a pilot is notified of an assignment, through VIPS or contact with CRS, to which another pilot was entitled; or
c. multiple pilots are given the same assignment.
2. In case of a duplicate or other assignment error, the following shall apply to the pilot who should have been given the assignment:
a. If it is feasible, such pilot shall be given the assignment to which he was entitled.
b. If the assignment is not given to the pilot who should have received it (e.g., time constraints do not permit reassignment), the credit hours from the assignment shall be eligible for compensatory make-up.
c. If it is not possible to determine which pilot should have received the trip (e.g., time does not permit the necessary research), then the senior pilot shall be offered the choice of performing the assignment, or having the credit hours for the assignment deposited into his compensatory make-up bank.
3. In case of a duplicate or other assignment error, the following shall apply to the pilot, if any, who received the assignment in error.
a. If operational circumstances permit, such pilot shall be removed from the assignment and it shall be reassigned to the pilot who should have received the assignment, as provided in Section 25.AA.2.a. (above).
b. If the pilot removed from the trip held trip guarantee for the trip, and received notice of the assignment, through VIPS or contact with CRS, he shall be eligible for compensatory make-up for the credit hours removed due to assignment error.
c. If the pilot removed from the trip did not hold trip guarantee for the trip, his entitlement to showpay shall be determined in accordance with other provisions of the Agreement.
4. Substitution Election
Notwithstanding the above, if, as a result of a duplicate or other assignment error, a pilot is removed from a trip for which he held trip guarantee, or does not receive an assignment for which he would have held trip guarantee upon assignment, the pilot may elect to be placed in substitution in lieu of having credit hours deposited into his compensatory make-up bank. Any such election must be made through direct contact with CRS, when the pilot first learns of the error.
11-06-2007, 05:57 PM
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Somewhat related topic but I got bumped from a trip today and placed into substitution. The trip was placed back into open time and frozen. As I pulled out my copy of the CBA to assess my options, I was reassigned to the same trip which was revised to accomodate a change in the front end deadhead which added an overnight in Hong Kong.
Soooo, I basically got bumped, put in substitution and reassigned before I could opt for OTP or anything else. And since they changed the assigned deadhead, does the accepted fare of the first deadhead go into my travel bank? (China Eastern flight changed to Cathay Pacific).
Soooo, I basically got bumped, put in substitution and reassigned before I could opt for OTP or anything else. And since they changed the assigned deadhead, does the accepted fare of the first deadhead go into my travel bank? (China Eastern flight changed to Cathay Pacific).
11-06-2007, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
Somewhat related topic but I got bumped from a trip today and placed into substitution. The trip was placed back into open time and frozen. As I pulled out my copy of the CBA to assess my options, I was reassigned to the same trip which was revised to accomodate a change in the front end deadhead which added an overnight in Hong Kong.
Soooo, I basically got bumped, put in substitution and reassigned before I could opt for OTP or anything else. And since they changed the assigned deadhead, does the accepted fare of the first deadhead go into my travel bank? (China Eastern flight changed to Cathay Pacific).
Soooo, I basically got bumped, put in substitution and reassigned before I could opt for OTP or anything else. And since they changed the assigned deadhead, does the accepted fare of the first deadhead go into my travel bank? (China Eastern flight changed to Cathay Pacific).
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