Frozen trips and open time???
#21
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
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Hmmm. The whole thing happened in a 40 minute period and I've had almost no experience with being bumped. I've been trying to decipher the CBA to figure out what my best options are/were. I'm not really even sure what status I entered or left during that time. If I was given a RAT, does that pay at 125%? Here are my crew notification messages....is the third message a RAT? Since the trip number hasn't changed, I'm not sure if I've technically been reassigned.
You have been removed from trip 2049 beginning 09NOV07
due to trip rescheduled.
due to trip rescheduled.
Notification posted 06NOV07 1810z. You received it 06NOV07 1820z.
You are eligible for substitution due to trip 2049 beginning 09NOV07.
Please check your calendar and select the substitution record
for specific assignment windows and availability periods.
for specific assignment windows and availability periods.
Notification posted 06NOV07 1810z. You received it 06NOV07 1820z.
You have been assigned trip 2049 with a showtime of 09NOV07 1830z.
Notification posted 06NOV07 1846z. You received it 06NOV07 1900z.
#22
Hmmm. The whole thing happened in a 40 minute period and I've had almost no experience with being bumped. I've been trying to decipher the CBA to figure out what my best options are/were. I'm not really even sure what status I entered or left during that time. If I was given a RAT, does that pay at 125%? Here are my crew notification messages....is the third message a RAT? Since the trip number hasn't changed, I'm not sure if I've technically been reassigned.
You have been removed from trip 2049 beginning 09NOV07
due to trip rescheduled.
due to trip rescheduled.
Notification posted 06NOV07 1810z. You received it 06NOV07 1820z.
You are eligible for substitution due to trip 2049 beginning 09NOV07.
Please check your calendar and select the substitution record
for specific assignment windows and availability periods.
for specific assignment windows and availability periods.
Notification posted 06NOV07 1810z. You received it 06NOV07 1820z.
You have been assigned trip 2049 with a showtime of 09NOV07 1830z.
Notification posted 06NOV07 1846z. You received it 06NOV07 1900z.
#24
MD11Fr8Dog, how did they get away with bumping you off without compensation? Did you get a copy of the trip assignment with your name on it? If so, I'd grieve the fact you were assigned the trip, and the company didn't comply with 4.F.1 below:
SECTION 4
MINIMUM GUARANTEES AND OTHER PAY PROVISIONS
F. Trip Guarantee
1. A pilot's trip guarantee shall be the scheduled credit hour (SCH) value of the trip when the trip is awarded/assigned to the pilot (e.g., bid award, trip trade, open time assignment) or when the pilot blocks out on the trip, whichever is greater.
If your name's on the trip, it's yours. If they take you off of it because of their mistake, they still must pay you. At least that's my read of the contract. I'd definitely get contact enforcement involved, though.
SECTION 4
MINIMUM GUARANTEES AND OTHER PAY PROVISIONS
F. Trip Guarantee
1. A pilot's trip guarantee shall be the scheduled credit hour (SCH) value of the trip when the trip is awarded/assigned to the pilot (e.g., bid award, trip trade, open time assignment) or when the pilot blocks out on the trip, whichever is greater.
If your name's on the trip, it's yours. If they take you off of it because of their mistake, they still must pay you. At least that's my read of the contract. I'd definitely get contact enforcement involved, though.
Gentlemen; Trip 3224 MEM 11 25AUG07 (XTRA) is a non-revenue humanitarian relief flightthat was placed in open time in error. Since you processed either a swapwith open time or a makeup bid line adjustment for this trip you are beingremoved per Section 25 AA., Duplicate or Other Assignment Error. As a resultthe provisions of Sec. 25.AA.3.b, .4 & .6 will apply. Please review thepertinent language to help you determine which solution would work to yourbest advantage. Let me apologize for this error and assure you that efforts are being madeto ensure that this unfortunate situation will not be repeated. If I may beof any assistance or if you would like to discuss the circumstances of howthis error occurred please contact me directly. My cell number is901-xxx-xxxx and my office number is listed below. Thank you for your time and understanding, Bill
#25
They FRZ the trip until you answer yes or no on RAT
#26
They haven't frozen his trip. When he hit "acknowledge" on his crew notifications he "accepted" the trip. If you read the 3 crew notifications he was removed, put in SUB, and then subsequently assigned the RAT trip. I've had the same scenario and I didn't do anything except hit the "acknowledge" button.
Now having said that, I do have one point of contention with what I call malicious code used on our web site concerning crew notifications. When you recieve a crew notification and click on it, you cannot do anything else on the website until you hit "acknowledge." Even if you log off the website and log back in, you will be taken immediately to the "acknowledge" screen. You can't look at the trip, you can't do anything. You are held hostage until you hit "acknowledge." I have discussed this with crew scheduling and ACP's and while the crew scheds supervisor agreed with me, nothing has been done. If you click on "acknowledge" you technically have accepted the trip in accordance with the CBA. I had this happen once on a SUB assignment when I wasn't even eligible for a SUB trip (I had been released for the day) and I had to get the duty officer and the union to resolve it. The crew scheds gal kept reciting chapter and verse of the CBA to me since I hit the "acknowledge" button.
#27
Hitting acknowledge is nothing more than stating that you have been notified of the trip assignment. It is not accepting the trip. If you are in Substitution you should call scheduling and tell them whether you want the trip or not.
#28
If they don't hear from you very soon, they assume your acknowlegement is your acceptance.
#30
Go get this trip before it gets frozen!!
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