kronan

The LOA only deals with HKG. Not any of the other domiciles.

So, could be a van from CAN to HKG, but that's the normal way they anticipate moving folks to/from already.

e.g take a look at the HKG bidpack

Busboy

Thanks for the lecture.

I had no idea CRS would try and pull the wool over anyone's eyes.

My sick in the field case was so far back...It was precontract. I shouldn't have even brought it up.

AFW_MD11

DOCKING PAY OF SICK PILOTS RULED ILLEGAL: The U.S. Department of Labor’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) issued three rulings recently. All found that American Airlines retaliated against three pilots for reporting that they were too sick to fly and ordered AA to fully reimburse those pilots. As part of their abusive sick policy, AA management rejected the medical documentation that these pilots provided upon request and later deducted disputed sick pay amounts from their paychecks.

With counsel and representation provided by APA, these pilots filed a complaint with the OSHA. The subsequent investigation found merit with the pilot’s complaints and ordered AA to abate the violations by reimbursing the pilots for the sick time with interest and reimbursing any other benefits associated with that sick time. Additionally, the airline was ordered to post whistleblower rights posters.

Robert D. Kulick, a regional administrator for OSHA’s New York region, ruled that, “A policy that forces pilots to make a choice between flying when they are too sick to do so and being retaliated against, violates the law.” The complaint was filed under an aviation industry whistleblower law known as AIR21.

We applaud the U.S. Department of Labor and OSHA for their recognition of AA management’s oppressive practices and for defending our pilots’ obligation to safety through self determination of personal fitness to fly.

Eaglebeak

Shouldn't someone be charged and prosecuted if a law was violated?

Eaglebeak

The last time I called in sick in the field it was one of those deals where I had a real bad cold coming on. I was returning to MEM that evening and called my ACP and told him I could operate to MEM but needed to forgo the turn and call in sick. He advised me to go ahead and use "the call in sick at the end of a trip" option so that I didn't trigger an irregularity report by calling in sick within 4 hours of the next trip. I did that, operated to MEM, hopped a JS home and that was that?

It does seem weird to me that it is OK to say "I am getting sick or I am sick now but not sick enough that I can't operate home but I will be too sick to fly an additional leg." Sounds kinda like company approved flying while sick to me?

fedupbusdriver

You told him that you were well enough to fly to Memphis, but not well enough to turn.

Eaglebeak

Yes. I had the beginning of a head cold that I just knew was going to be one of those killer colds. He was one of the good guy ACPs that isn't there any more. I was perfectly capable of operating to MEM but didn't want to turn to another trip. I never knew that option was in vips until that happened.

The real point is here that the company will sanction someone to call in "sick at the end of a trip" before the trip ends and operate a leg in that status but will not allow someone to get on a JS without ACP approval in the same condition?

fecav8r

Let's say you fly back to Memphis. It's your leg, and you have a problem on landing and you end up in the grass. Are you really confident that info won't get to the Feds. I would never suggest a crew member call in sick on the inbound leg. Just never felt comfy with that. So what if it generates an IR.

Eaglebeak

Yes it was probably a stupid thing to do. I am not saying that what I did was smart and I am not saying that I will do it again. I am saying that I am surprised that it is legal and encouraged by the same company who will not let you get on the JS in the same condition without ACP approval.

fecav8r

Not saying you were stupid, just misinformed. I, too, am really amazed that we have a program that says "hey, I'm gonna be sick when I get to Memphis. I'm not sick now but I will be in 3 hours."