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Old 08-29-2009 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Can a non-unionized pilot reject struck work legally without fear or losing his job?
Like the letter above your post explains, if a pilot feels that he will lose his job, there is no reason to reject struck work....just call in sick/fatigued/etc. Its the right granted to you by the FAA.

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Old 08-29-2009 | 11:00 AM
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Before the strike went down on Thursday, there were movements of personel down to Santo Domingo. The thought was that AJT would park their craft in SDQ and POS, and use those places as mini-hubs. In theory, ABX would move the freight down to these stations where the sewer rats would crew AJT craft, out of the prying eyes of fellow pilots. This may be the case, as I haven't seen anything come back for AJT yet. Too bad ABX again refused to move AJT freight again this morning, even though it was wrapped in black plastic. If Local 1224 refuses to budge, AJT is doomed. Sunday night will be the time to come out and volunteer, as the trucks will start coming into the warehouse for Monday's flights, including the all-important oil parts. We will be there waiting for our old buddies to crew the aircraft. Good luck, scabs.
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Old 08-29-2009 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Can a non-unionized pilot reject struck work legally without fear or losing his job?
Probably not. If you have any questions on the matter, contact the IBT or Dan Brannan (above), they may be able to suggest other ways by which you can support your fellow airmen without placing your own job in jeopardy.

This business doesn't need heros, just guys who know in their heart what is right, and try to do it.

I would be extremely wary of using sick and/or fatigue calls in order to stay out of conflict. Airline managers have traditionally claimed abuse of those policies as justification for disciplining pilots who have exercised them. If your union or in-house pilot association were strong enough to defend you from such a charge, it's unlikely you would have been in the situation in the first place.
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Old 08-29-2009 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot
The question for the pilot to the company he works for is, Why do we want to get involved in someone elses labor problems?
The pilot might not want to at all. In this example a freight company with a non-unionized labor group is saying "we have a flight tomorrow from KXXX to KYYY and your show time is 1200". Can that pilot refuse the flight because it's struck work by someone else and be legally protected or would it be termination for him? I'm not commenting on the validity of a union I fully understand why they're needed I'm just asking this because honestly I don't know the answer and there are a few non-union carriers out there, both 135 and 121, that could make the matter much more difficult.
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Old 08-29-2009 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan
Probably not. If you have any questions on the matter, contact the IBT or Dan Brannan (above), they may be able to suggest other ways by which you can support your fellow airmen without placing your own job in jeopardy.

This business doesn't need heros, just guys who know in their heart what is right, and try to do it.

I would be extremely wary of using sick and/or fatigue calls in order to stay out of conflict. Airline managers have traditionally claimed abuse of those policies as justification for disciplining pilots who have exercised them. If your union or in-house pilot association were strong enough to defend you from such a charge, it's unlikely you would have been in the situation in the first place.
Whistlin' Dan I work for a unionized regional I was inquiring for the benefit of better educating myself on the matter. Thank you for the response.
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Old 08-29-2009 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
The pilot might not want to at all. In this example a freight company with a non-unionized labor group is saying "we have a flight tomorrow from KXXX to KYYY and your show time is 1200". Can that pilot refuse the flight because it's struck work by someone else and be legally protected or would it be termination for him? I'm not commenting on the validity of a union I fully understand why they're needed I'm just asking this because honestly I don't know the answer and there are a few non-union carriers out there, both 135 and 121, that could make the matter much more difficult.
I am afraid I wasn't clear. Its time for the non union carrier pilots to speak with their managemnts and let them know they don't want to be involved. It will be bad for their company over the long term.
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Old 08-29-2009 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jetgo166
Before the strike went down on Thursday, there were movements of personel down to Santo Domingo. The thought was that AJT would park their craft in SDQ and POS, and use those places as mini-hubs. In theory, ABX would move the freight down to these stations where the sewer rats would crew AJT craft, out of the prying eyes of fellow pilots. This may be the case, as I haven't seen anything come back for AJT yet. Too bad ABX again refused to move AJT freight again this morning, even though it was wrapped in black plastic. If Local 1224 refuses to budge, AJT is doomed. Sunday night will be the time to come out and volunteer, as the trucks will start coming into the warehouse for Monday's flights, including the all-important oil parts. We will be there waiting for our old buddies to crew the aircraft. Good luck, scabs.

HAHA!!! Bring your bats Boys! I think it's time to go back to the old school days of teaching Scabs a lesson.
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Old 08-29-2009 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Can a non-unionized pilot reject struck work legally without fear or losing his job?
It depends on their employment agreement(s), if any. It's best for everyone approached to fly struck freight to either call in sick or aver their concerns about getting caught in the middle. After all being employable in the future with another carrier is far better than collecting a salary for what, a couple of weeks or months if the carrier folds? How about the stigma of scab following them for the rest of their career? Doing the right thing... that's what's important... doing the right thing.
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Old 08-29-2009 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
It depends on their employment agreement(s), if any. It's best for everyone approached to fly struck freight to either call in sick or aver their concerns about getting caught in the middle. After all being employable in the future with another carrier is far better than collecting a salary for what, a couple of weeks or months if the carrier folds? How about the stigma of scab following them for the rest of their career? Doing the right thing... that's what's important... doing the right thing.
I'd rather be financially bankrupt than morally bankrupt. I know that's an easy thing to say when employed, but I've run into scabs at other carriers. All of them wish they'd never done it...
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Old 08-29-2009 | 03:08 PM
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Can someone post directions on how to get to the picketing site?
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