Ok a couple of FDA things that are not getting noticed but by no means all inclusive:

1. Currently no exit other than a system bid or personal emergency. Section N of the LOA has an exit strategy if you want out and no bid available.

2.Deadhead by surface transportation. Only 4 city pairs for trains and the only one in China is CAN-HKG. You can deviate.

3. Deadhead bank for surface transportation. currently NONE.

New LOA:
Train deadheads shall create a deviation bank in the same manner as
airline tickets. In no event shall the deviation bank credit for such train
deadheads be less than $150 per deadhead.

With respect to ground transportation between HKG-CAN, deadheads
by surface transportation other than a train shall create a deviation
bank in the same manner as airline tickets. In no event shall the
deviation bank credit for such surface transportation deadheads be
less than $150 per deadhead.

4. Increased rental allotment in HKG from $2700 to $4500.

5. Cost of living protection.

6. Finally a remail provision to your home by the world's leading express deilvery service to its own employees.

7. Education expense reimbursement. Currently NONE.

…up to $5,000 per child (but not
to exceed $10,000 per family) per school year.

Not saying yea or nay, just saying read it. If I'm wrong tell me, I know you will anyway.

 

Not no, but hell no!

 

Ditto to "NO"

 

I think everyone should watch the video from SS. There seems to be a misconception of what this "TA" is, after watching the video and reading the letters from the Union, this looks like a contract extension of sorts. There is no way this deal would be anything but that and not have the MANY fixes we want in the major sections of our contract.

We get to get some money and solutions now, I have lots of questions for our NC and MEC, but come one, everyone has not even had a chance to hear the "sell" job.

Did anyone on this website think that we would get a full up CBA with all the bells and whistles after 4 months of bargaining????YGTBSM, I would like to see how in the world anyone expected that to occur, was it all the leverage we have been using?

Many of us, including me, have expressed thoughts on this board, that an FDA LOA without something for everyone was giving away all our leverage. Well looks like ALPA is at least trying to not "give" it away. I also did not see anything in the UL rules, appears we still have that nugget to deal in the future.

Read the deal, numerous times, it is not that time consuming. I am wishing 4a2b was stronger, but it is a grievance settlement, does not appear to be our actual section 4 since there is nothing even in section 4??? My first question, BTW!!!!!!!

 

Exactly. This is just a FDA LOA in disguise. They want the FDA and knew it would be tough to pass. They toss in a little cash and here is what we have.

If they wanted it to look like something I might vote for it should have included a raise every year that the new contract does not get signed also.

 

Tantamount to micterating on the Dude's rug............NO WAY, MAN!

 

So what would make everyone happy and vote yes? 20%? 25%? I'm curious what you're trigger would be.

I'm not happy about 3% either, btw, but after watching the video of SS, the reasons they decided to go with this TA seem sound, or at least logical given what the company tells them. Do you all think that the guys on the NC and MEC are so much dumber than everyone on this message board? Sure, the NC could have been hard a$$es and drug this thing out for the next 3 years. Is that what would have made you happy? Burn the place down? Wait, don't answer that.

Is the company being cheap? Of course they're being cheap, it's what they do to employees now at every corporation. But how much more do you think they would have given up? And how long would it have taken to get another 2 or 3%? Do you guys know, because I don't.

I don't like to use the "other airlines" analogy, but reality is reality. I think of all my buddies at other airlines right now, and all the garbage they are going through, and I know most of them would murder me, remove my index finger for the bio-metric check in, and wear my face as a mask in the AOC to have the deal we have right now. And I know you ol' boys from back in the 80s and 90s had it whipped into you that you aren't "the other guys" so you don't deserve what they have. So you think we shouldn't use that comparison. That is foolish. You have to look at what else is going on in the industry and the economy.

I would love to have seen a double digit raise and some other little goodies in there, but it is what it is. All that being said, I still haven't made up my mind yet.

I hope some of you fellas that are so PO'd right now will come out publicly and declare your intentions to get involved with the NC or become union officials in other ways so you can tell them how to do it right.

By the way, inflation in 2010 was just under 2%.

I await the firing squad.

 

Anyone interested in "VIPS SERVER BUSY" or the mysterious Reserve system that the individual schedulers run at his/her whim, or trip trades that take two days, or the idea that discipline protection when commuting to work ONLY applies to FDX aircraft from your "staging" location when listed as "staging"? Are you commuters aware of this last one? So if I'm a Miami commuter, and I happen to be in Tampa commuting on a FDX aircraft and the flight cancels or diverts, I get a letter! Or if I am commuting from my staging location and listed as "business" (like our System Chief Pilot told us to do at a hub turn meeting) and the flight does not make it, I get a letter!

This is some of the crap that needs to be addressed.........

 

I got news for you, commuting protections are not gonna get better, wake up and smell the coffee. Congress HAS mandated that commuting be addressed in form a a law. I suggest you send those concerns to Washington, through your Congressman, before you have anyone waste their breath or time trying to improve staging rules that will probably get overridden by some stupid law.

Get eductated and act everyone, that law passed due to the Buffalo crash is not even close to being done with implementing wide ranging changes.

Including, BTW, the good part, a sweeping change to FAR's, which is certainly a part of this TA decision process. I read the Fedex comments on the rules, if you think we would see any movement on double digit pay raises, lump payments that can buy a car or anything else in the big sections done before this storm has passed, we are smoking some stuff the dude might like!

 

Like most people here, I have no plans of bidding and living overseas. With that in mind, I was looking for improvements for the rest of us. We can either improve our current work rules to an acceptable level or get enough of a raise to stomach the current contract and press on for awhile. This TA gives us neither. I know the FAA might change some things that could affect us in the future, but there are sooooooo many things that could be fixed in section 25 and the like.

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